Handler Agression - Page 3

Connie,

We need to talk! 

thanks Emily, you described exactly how I like my dogs.  strong, but very willing to please the handler.  I had purchased a 4month old 1/2 DDR female who when corrected, went right for my face.  I consulted a fellow breeder about it, who BTW is a very successful trainer and has titled many of her own dogs both in germany and america.  I tried what she told me, and everything that I did just enraged the pup more.  so I took her back to her breeder.  Her sire was a very well known old DDR male named Baro.  There is no place for a dog like this.  JMO

a dog should never go for its handler. 

I did not start this to bash the breeder of the adv. litter.  if he can place the pups successfully in proper homes, why should I care.  but you have to ask yourself, do these type of dogs help the breed, or hurt it.  cause imagine what J.Q public thinks when they see a big aggressive gsd who attacks even its own handler.  This is not an image I would like to prmote especially with all the BSL going around.

Jennifer

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Although I can see people who like the dogs that have a bit of "backbone", and will let you know when you're doing something they don't like, I don't think people should breed dogs that have handler aggression. To me, this is an unnecessary attribute. My male, although as many of you pointed out, male dogs usually don't act aggressively towards a female handler, has no handler aggression whatsoever, and he is still an intense dog, who would protect me in a threatening situation. I think a breeder should be able to breed a dog willing to please the handler, not take him out, while still maintaining an equal balance of prey and defense drive. But what am I talking about. That has to be the perfect dog. Lol.

-Emily.

why would someone bred dogs based on color? 

i always enjoy reading topics about handler aggression, mainly because i am of the notion that not all aggresion in dogs is based on breeding alone.  i feel that a majority of it is learned.  for instance,

we take our pups and teach them to bite and chew on rags, tugs, etc.  we raise them to be strong, confident,  and outgoing.   then all of the sudden we tell them "no" you have to listen to me.  if  a dog is really independent, he tells us NO i am going to do what i want.  thats usually when the tag "handler aggresive" gets slammed on the dog.

i also feel that a lot of dogs (especially those that are titled for the purpose of being sold) get to much training and pressure put on them to quickly.  dog gets sold, new owner does not know how dog was trained or handled before, tries something that the dog is not use to and ends up taking a bite.  once again the dog is tagged "handler aggresive"

if i have a pup and it shows me aggresion at a young age, which in my expierence the strong ones will,  i have a couple of stern words with them and let them know  that I am in charge.  take care of it when it first starts, or when ever it appears.

im not a tough guy and i dont like fighting with dogs, but i do like my dogs to have some fight in them.

just something to think about,

john

"im not a tough guy and i dont like fighting with dogs, but i do like my dogs to have some fight in them." 

YUP!!

Great thread, IMO more people should be posting here. I'll post more when I can figure out which way I roll on this one. Not cut and dry or black and white.

Not cut and dry or black and white.

funny you should say that.   that's usually the type of training that leads to a dog having conflicting thoughts.

one thing i have learned about training is to make it cut and dry,  black and white.  no room for gray. 

john

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John,

Excellent explanation. 

Handler aggression is bad nerves and genetic not something to be proud of...hard, confidant dogs  are just that some mistake handler aggression for hardness which is wrong..weak nerves..stay away bad nerves  pass to offspring. Marlene

too many people do not know, or can not tell the difference between a strong dog and one with weak/bad nerves.   ever see a dog do a bark and hold with its hackles up?  not a pretty picture in my eyes.

as to the puppies, if i was looking for a pup i would be interested.  nice pedigree,  would like to be able to see the parents work.

john