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Here is a review of it.
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showcat.php?cat=all&stype=1&si=platinum

If you read here how this site reviews dog food it can give you a heads up on reading labels in the future. Knowing what to look for, look out for, tricks in labeling....
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/how-do-you-rate-the-foods.html

Shannon

Just read further and I would stay away from anything with menadione(synthetic Vit K) in it. Has been linked to liver problems. Bacteria in a healthy intestine should be able to synthesize all the Vitamin K dogs need.

Edited by Shannon Reed (06/05/08 05:35 PM)

Just one of many found today...this is not the study i was looking for but came upon this and many others.

 YR,

Why don't you find some original source and tell us why the substance was/or is banned in supplements? You can even find some of these sources by following links from this joke of a site you note above.

If someone really wants to read the literature about this substance, indeed, there are a number of good studies available on the internet. That assumes one can look at a site such as that above and see their bias to begin with. Most of the regulatory sites have studies which will tell you all you ever wanted to know about vitamin supplementation.

Hodie I am not trying to get into a pissing match with you over this. And I do understand your point. My point is the way you come across with it, leaves something to be desired. I guess it is my genetic makeup to be a defender of underdogs, always have and always will hate to see people belittled when there is another way. But then you are also who you are, just thought I would point it out, that there are people who  might learn something from you but will not because of your way.

I also genuinely would like to read some of your sources on topics such as "menodine". And also like you stated you don't personally know the people on this site, as either do I. But I will say that I do not and have not ever fallen into the category of a lazy person. Although I am married, my husband also has been a workaholic, so anything I ever wanted concerning my animals I have done myself from breaking ground, building fences both wood and wire, constructing buildings, bucking hay, I have even been a hooker in Idaho  (LOL) under a highline, I run a chainsaw, split wood/ haul wood on and on. For my age I guess I am still in decent shape. I also try to find time to do a little training with my dogs even if for self satisfaction. So if you have better sources for getting info, than YR, why don't you post where they can be found? Even if at the library in books, give a title and author, website etc. so there is something to compare your opposition to what YR has stated. Otherwise it is just your word against hers.I also do not believe anything manufactured by man is exactly as found in nature. Perhaps the chemical composition is the same but it not exactly the same, nothing is identical, even identical twins have different DNA I believe.

This is the link sent back to me by a poster on our database.:

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=menadione

 I was asked by somebody at a club when talking about animal naturals products, (this person was new to the working dog world btw) why anybody would give creatine to their dogs???? since he said superfuel has creatine in it??? any ideas???? 

YR,

Do you know what ascorbic acid is that you mention in your post above?

Menadione has, in fact, been banned for use in humans for many, many years. It has never been approved for use in cat or dog food or supplements, but, has not been banned from use in these either. It has only been approved for use in cow and swine feed. You can read it right on the FDA web site and you do not need a 40 page report.

Yes, it is true we all need Vitamin K. We, including cats and dogs, produce it naturally. Sick, or, injured animals may need to be supplemented.  Vitamin K3(menadione), the chemical version, has proven unsafe for human consumption.

Many, many pet food companies have chosen to eliminate it from their ingredients because of the toxicity and because when asked most did not know why it was in there in the first place. Eliminating it proves to be very tough for some pet food and supplement manufacturers because they buy their vitamins in a liquid pre-mix that is added to the food during processing. In other words they have to use up what they have in stock before they can change it.

I, too, asked the K-9 Superfuel people why it was in their products. I received the same aswer as those above and I feel that it was a crap answer.  Therefore I choose to not use their products.

This is what I got when I emailed Animal Naturals.....

July 1, 2008 it's out of Superfuel. Thanks.

I have a question for you all. When you have concerns about a product (dog food, supplement, etc.) why do you not ask the manufacturer directly instead of a public forum? Most manufacturers are very interested in receiving input and questions about their products. If questions are not directed to them they can not address them or reformulate their products to put your  concerns at rest. I contacted AN directly and this is the response I received: "When I did this formula, this was about the only source. Redoing formula and labels it 8/1.  They would have to consume 158 lbs per day to even meet the RDI.  Getting canine studies this week. "

So you see, when they were informed there was concern they immediatly jumped into action. Only a company that is truly interested in their cusomers concerns would do this but they can not if you don't express them to the right party.

Responding to the creatine question in another post.

Raw meat=creatine!      Bob Fritz
Animal Naturals

What does this popular performance supplement have to do with feeding your dog a natural diet? More than you might think......

Look inside pro training rooms, talk to serious athletes, read sports science journals and you'll see Creatine (cree'-ah--tun) being discussed.  And with the trickle down effect, performance dog fanciers are asking questions as to whether this supplement might improve their performance.

In dozens of well-controlled scientific and medical studies, Creatine has been shown to fuel muscle energy, boost power performance and enhance recovery.  Creatine has a strong safety record as well.

I feel qualified to speak about Creatine and dogs.  I helped formulate and introduce the first commercial Creatine products for athletes for UNIPRO 15 years ago.  I also began testing Creatine supplements on dogs at about the same time.

What is Creatine?
First, what Creatine is not.  Creatine is not a kooky California fad, or the latest health nut potion.  Just the opposite, Creatine is a scientifically validated food supplement. Moreover, Creatine is a more than a supplement; it is actually a lost nutrient from the wild food chain of wolves and wild dogs.

Creatine is a natural element of the wild food chain.  Creatine is stored mainly in muscle and in nerve tissues in both humans and dogs.

The canine body obtains Creatine in two ways.  First, after eating protein, the dog’s body links two amino acids to form Creatine. In this way, the canine body makes its own Creatine.  The second way dogs obtain Creatine is from the protein foods they eat.  Creatine is naturally occurring in the canine diet in meats.  After eating meat, some of the Creatine is absorbed.
So the dog obtains Creatine two ways.  First, the body makes some of its own. Second, Creatine is extracted from the meat dogs eat.

The First Clue
In 1832, French researchers noted muscle tissue from wild foxes contained about ten times the Creatine as the same tissue of caged foxes.  Since it appeared both fox groups received approximately the same diet, it was concluded physical activity accumulated Creatine in muscle tissue.  In other words, wild animals, because they're forced to move for survival, store more Creatine than sedentary animals.

Wild vs. Supermarket Meats
Other researchers examining the relationship between domestic and wild animals within the same species have noted striking differences in lipid content and profile depending on whether the animals are fed wild or domestic diets.  This difference within the same species, influenced solely by diet, suggests that there are significant but subtle differences in wild and domestic meats.

One of the most important differences in wild and domestic meats appears to be Creatine content.  Although more research remains to be conducted, it can be said that all meat is not the same. Clearly, meat is much more than a mere vehicle for dietary protein.

Based on studies by Mesch and other researchers, it appears that wild dogs can "wolf" up to several kilos of fresh wild meat at a sitting. Sin