The cost of a good working line pup - Page 3

We have 7 super working line puppies available, 2 males and 5 females. They were bred in Slovakia and whelped in the U.S. The price is $1,800. With the Euro conversion and high International shipping rates, this price is highly competitive.

Piko Bret Bett, ZVV3, IPO3, SchH2, FH1, ZPS2, ZPO1, Mated to Chaja zo Stianvnickych hor,SVVI.                     

Piko is one of the premier stud dogs out of the famous Jinopo Kennels in the Czech Republic. He is one of the few per year to obtain the coveted ZVV3 title. He is a large, strong dark sable male. Strong bones and large head. Piko passes to his litters strong bones, steady nerves, confidence and courage.

Our dam, Chaja zo Stianvickych hor, ZVV1, was bred and imported from Slovakia. She is a poweful female. Social, loves children, BUT SERIOUS, best describes her. She passes sound nerves and courage to her pups.

This is an excellent opportunity to get a Piko puppy in the U.S. with a super working pedigree. Linebreeding 4-4-on Velmy Dobry Cordon An-Sat, ZVV3, IPO3,ZM. Litter is due June 5th.

 Call 352-5570 [www.vonklaus-fedorshepherds.com]

I wasn't trying to place a add under a thread that is where the clasiffieds come in not here, just like the person trying to sell me a pup over my private messages, All I wanted was for people to compare their prices so that I knew I was in the ball park. So for the fellow that pm'ed me trying to sell me, a little advice, if it turned me off just think of everyone else you do this to.

I started out buying from a person who trained narcotic dogs and paid $500.00 and for a female which is the dam of my current female. Both parents were working lines. Super hard female whose pic you see on here. She died a few years ago but 8 year old is one of her pups which was sired by a police k9. Also a super hard nosed high drive girl! She can trail or air scent extremenly well. My next pup will be a male and while price is important getting a great dog is the ultiminate goal.

I know of several sar people who would give their eye tooth for a good working line pup. If you can't sell these good ones and need to move them, please consider donating  a pup or two to a volunteer sar person....

sarah

price depends on parents titles and accomplishments.  you should never have to pay over 1000 for a puppy.  it would have to be an outstanding breeding for me to think of paying that. And also come out of a prominent/proven track record kennel.  $800 is my limit on a pup unless we are talking about already x-rayed.

puppies are a crap shoot.  no matter what you pay, you still run the big risk of things not working out or hips ect being bad.  also, not all breeders stand behind their guarantee's.  I have been told you rarely receive gaurantee's in germany. 

I know of several good, reputable breeders in my area that just charge $500-$750 for their pups.  and these have just as nice pedigree's as any other dog out there,  they have good drives, and the gaurantee will be backed up. 

Jennifer

Yes Kolenda kennels is very high priced, but for some reason he seems to sell his pups. He claims that he is the number 1 breeder in Michigan. I know this by someone leaving his kennel and coming to mine and purchasing a puppy from me. I have also heard this from him myself.  I met the guy and personally don't like him at all. I won't get into details on here either, but he is not someone I would purchase a show line pup or dog from ever, that's if I ever wanted to get into show line dog's.

What defines a good workingline pup anyway?

For me, any breeding which is not out of titled, breed surveyed and show rated parents is unacceptable. That should be the least a breeder should do. The SV regulates that and 99% of the breeders in Germany do it. If we want to compete or keep up with the quality they have in Germany (or Europe for that matter), we should at least have the same breeding criteria for accountability. Even East European countries title and breed survey their dogs.

We have been breeding showlines for many years and just last year added a workingline female into our program. But we set our standard just as high for workinglines: KKL1 and V! I would only use an SG-rated dog if there was a valid excuse (progeny super nice, has not been shown in the working class or something similar). All these excuses of not caring about looks and that drives are the one and only thing and blabla is nonsense, especially for a serious breeder. We have a (good) standard and should strive for the most balanced specimen in all aspects.

Prices: We charge around $1,500 to $ 2,000 for breedings done in Germany (showlines and workinglines) and $1,000 to $1,400 for the ones here in the U.S. (showlines and workinglines). Our prices are pretty much based on our expenses. Of course, when we take our females to Germany for breedings, the costs involved are much higher and we do that quite frequently.

Chris

I think many will be giving away pups soon.  

Sorry to be doom & Gloom, but thats the reality.  Bunker down folks.

Upside is that Showlines will not be in demand.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/06/16/bcnecb116.xml

I'd actually never heard of Kolenda Kennels. (Maybe I'm living under a rock?) My personal opinion:

Quality companion/ German Shepherd Puppies with super temperament for companion/pet/protection: $2000 - $2800

Select show quality/ German Shepherd Puppies for pet/companion/breeding potential show/schutzhund potential: $2800 - $3800.

Excellent Select Show Quality/German Shepherd Puppies/Breed potential/Show potential/schutzhund potential : $3800 - $5800.

Special Order super show quality /Breed potential/schutzhund potential/ : $4500 - $7500.

They have two "females" pages; the main one links directly to their titled females, but if you search by URL you can get their "breeding females" page as well.

If I was going to pay that much for a puppy, I'd better be guarenteed some high-place results... or at the very least a dog that can potty-train itself, find the remote control whenever I loose it, and babysit the kids if I decide to go out for dinner.*

How can you really be certain of a pup's quality to justify prices like that? Puppies change as they grow. I've had "ugly" pups that went turned into great showdogs... I've had seemingly super puppies that fell far short as they matured. Better to sell all pups of a litter for the same price, unless one has an obvious defect that would make it "pet qulaity." It's much easier to identify a potential working dog out of a litter (even if he's ugg-LY) by drive and temperament. *laughs* Of course a quality workingline dog will also have looks, structure, and all the aspects already mentioned above.

*The closest I ever got to this was a $600 byb labrador retriever that I wound up with; ugly dog but bloody clever. She would go to the fridge, fetch me a beer, make sure the fridge was closed, then come back and sit still so I could use her head as a table. I miss that dog...

Ok here is what I'm trying to sell for 1,200.00 .  I have 9 pups from the breeding of Andy Maly Vah / Pandora Vandenheuvel.  I feel that this is a very good breeding with all the genetics to make excellent working dogs.  I have researched this breeding for sometime and then bred to him.  This is a strong Czech line and figured that they would have sold faster than our last litter, and will keep them before I start giving them away. But will definately wait to breed again until I see some of this ecomony to start recovering.

                                                                                                  chuck