SHOCK SITE - Page 3

My friend got back to me about the mink slaughter. Here's what she says: NO, we don't kill the mink in that fashion (electric shock probe in the anus.) We have a gas box and they are killed with Carbon Monoxide and believe me, it is a quick and painless death. Mink have a very quick metabolism and they die very quickly, within 5 or 6 seconds. Chris grabs the mink up out of its pen, shoves it through the spring-loaded door and death is almost instantaneous.

There's legislation in the works now to ban the transport of horses into Canada and Mexico for slaughter. Not sure how that will pan out, but there are steps being taken at the federal level. I've been doing a lot of reading about the whole slaughter industry for a research paper. The bottom line is it is an industry that kills millions of animals a year. There are going to be incidents of less than humane treatment of animals, it's just the nature of the business as places will try to cut corners and get away with illegal procedures. There are laws and practices in place to make it as humane as possible. There is NO REASON for any animal to be skinned alive, no matter whaty country you live in.

My personal feelings about Aisan cultures is just that, my personal feelings. But so often when we hear about these kinds of horrible practices, it is in Asian cultures that it is considered acceptable. I can send you to some websites all about Asian dog and cat slaughter houses. That's right, there are slaughter houses in Asian countries that specialize in dogs and cats. I have discovered a lot of very distrubing things in my research and have seen some graphic and disturbing pictures and videos. I stopped looking at those after the first few. Even the religious Kosher slaughter or Muslim Halal must be done with the animal in a comfortable upright position. It is primarily in Asian countried where there are no humane slaughter practices.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh Jodagirl.  Check your closet.  Leather shoes, leather jacket, leather leash?  How about your bathroom?  Soap, shampoo, lotions, make-up? Most contain animal fat.  Yup, you are really concerned about how the poor cow and pigs are slaughtered.  You can't have it both ways.  Killing is a messy business, driven by demand.  It ain't just Asia and it ain't just slaughtering!  Sweeping statements aimed at one race show huge ignorance.  It was not that long ago that our culture kept and tortured slaves!  Less than a decade ago compulsion was the most common method of dog training. Should I assume every white man is a serial killer or wife beater?  Have you ever been to Asia?  You should go some time....get me a Bonsai Kitty while you're there, would ya?  I used a choke chain years ago, I eat meat, I use leather leashes, might as well add a Bonsai Kitty to my collection!  I want the cork screw one!

As far as your feelings being personal as soon as you post them on a message board you made them public!

 

Sueincc,

I brought up cow hide because it is the largest industry producing hide products and they have no issues with hides removed from dead animals. It all goes back to the statement made on the site that the Chinese say it is easier to skin a warm animal convusling in pain than a dead one. THAT is bullshit. I understand there is a fur/pelt industry, but like Sunsilver's friend does, the animals can be killed humanely. In many Asian cultures slaughter methods are cruel and inhumane and that is for all animals. This is a fact and can be easily researched. The people running that site are trying to stop a horrible practice that is considered acceptable in Asian culture. I'm afraid they are fighting a battle of unbeatable odds.

Educanine,

All you can say is WOW? Thank-you for your poignant and thought provoking contribution.

 

Sueincc, MI GSD, and Sunsilver,

I appreciate your side of this argument and respect your input. You made your points well and did bring about some more thinking on my part. I still have some very strong feelings about Asian cultures and hope that one day they will realize that they need to change some things, but for now, they continue with their barbaric and cruel customs.

 

 

"As far as your feelings being personal as soon as you post them on a message board you made them public! "

They're still my personal feelings whether I post them or not. You think this is the only time I've ever expressed my personal feelings in a public forum? Are they my feelings? Yes. Are they your feelings? No. That is what makes them my PERSONAL feelings. Duh!

I can't have what both ways? I never stated that I was against using leather or any other animal products or eating meat. I stated that the slaughter industry in Western countries is more humane than in Asian countries. Asian cultures have no regard for the humane treatment of the animals.

And yes, we DID keep and toture slaves but that practice was stopped years ago because of the inhumanity of it. We still have race issues stemming from that time period, but that is a whole other topic.

All your examples of bad things are methods or theories that have been, for the most part, abandoned for better, more humane methods. Many Asian cultures still use barbaric methods and show no indication that they are changing their ways.

You nailed in on the head! We still have race (and breed) issues alright.  Largely because people like you make sweeping allegations based on them!  You said you’re self that you have Asian friend’s who disagree with these practice.  You think they are the only Asian who do?

It is fair to say SOME slaughtering in Western countries is more humane than SOME in Asian countries...but not all.  Perhaps the other countries are just more open about it.  And maybe that isn't a bad thing.  Might do us some good if we didn’t delude ourselves in to thinking we are more just or fair.  I bet if we had to kill the cows we eat for dinner or wear to work things would be a little different.  Our hands aren't nearly as clean as you are making them out to be.

 

"Educanine,

All you can say is WOW?  Thank-you for you poignant and thought provoking contribution."

What should I contribute?  You said yourself : I straight up don't give a sh*% what anyone else thinks or says.  My feelings on this are intensely powerful and cannot be swayed.

Sounds to me like you just declared your mind as closed.  In my experience a closed mine cannot be provoked to thought no matter how 'poignant' a comment.  LOL.

forget the popcorn, i want a hamburger.

john

Did someone say something about popcorn? Dude, a hamburger? I would love a big, medium rare, filet mignon. Why go for the ground up lesser cuts?

"You said you’re self that you have Asian friend’s who disagree with these practice."
I said I have friends who are of Asian descent. They do not live in an Asian country.

You all can research this stuff for yourselves. I found a lot of material when I was doing my research paper. The internet is replete with information and, unfortunately, some horrific pictures and videos. Over and over and over again I found the most heinous of practices were in the Asian cultures.

By the way, there is one abattoir in Asia, in Deonar, India (yeah I know, India?) that employs the stunning technique before hoisting and exsangiunation, but for the majority of animals slaughtered in Asian countries there is no regard to the animals' humane treatment. Livestock have a higher percentage of modern slaughter techniques while smaller animals, especially those slaughtered for their fur, are horribly treated. And I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other countries, just that the MAJORITY of the countries using the most inhumane practices were Asian.

Like I have stated previously, humans kill animals for consumption. Either for the meat, the hide, or both. However, there is NO REASON the animal should be subjected to the horror, pain, and shock that many unfortunately endure.

And back in the day, people did kill and dress their own cattle. We don't have to do it ourselves anymore. That still doesn't mean we can't be concerned about the treatment of the animals. I guarantee my grandfather never skinned any animal while it was alive and they raised cattle and some sheep. Oh, and a few chickens too. Not to mention any animals that were hunted like deer, squirrel, and turkey.

For all you f**kers that say I have a closed mind, I'll concede one thing....I have a deep hatred for those  who continue to use these barbaric practices and for those who consider it acceptable. The majority just happen to be Asian. There, does that narrow it down for you? I've removed all the Asian people who do not find this acceptable.

What I learned during all the researching and writing of my paper left me with bad feelings for Asian cultures. Trust me, it was not an enjoyable paper to write and I did not pick the subject. However, I will make another concession. I will research protest groups in Asian countries that are trying to stop the horrific practices employed for slaughter. If I find enough information I will post a comment and eat my words. Will that work?

 "I have a deep hatred for those  who continue to use these barbaric practices and for those who consider it acceptable."  Now there is a statement I can get behind!

"I will research protest groups in Asian countries that are trying to stop..." Bravo.  You may find some more Asians (or people of Asian decent) to befriend.

I tip my hat to you!  If you can you get some breed haters to be as reasonable, I'll buy you a burger .... with bacon!