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tigermouse

by tigermouse on 18 June 2008 - 09:06

A good breeder would not tell you such rubbishplease be careful there are other reasons that female pups can be infertile.

A good breeder knows that this kind of stuff is nothing but  old wives tale's.

I am not saying she is a bad breeder but she certainly isn't  knowledgeable one.

If I were you I would look at other breeders in your area. perhaps you could tell us what area you live in and perhaps someone could recommend another breeder 

As I said before what happens later when you ask advice in the future.  

just out of interest were the parents health tested. if so what for?

all the best in your search.


by firethorn on 18 June 2008 - 14:06

While I'm not sure about dogs I have had Freemartin ewe lambs in sheep.  It has nothing to do with human siblings as one poster noted, they are in the uterus at different times usually.  It has to do with the amount of testosterone in the uterus while the fetuses are developing.  It has been my experience, this is certainly only anecdotaly, that a single female born of a litter of four never did reproduce.  She rarely came into season.  But it is certainly something to be aware of and I think it is reasonable for the breeder to dissuade the buyer form purchase if they want to definitely use her as breeding stock.  She might well be infertile. 

Good thing to research.  I don't think many dog breeders know about freemartins.

Susan


yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 18 June 2008 - 19:06

Susan: Yes we do...the uterus is not the same in multiple birth animals...some of the people on this board raise shepherds and are Black Angus, top registered owners, and have relayed the reason of the difference.

The  wall of the sac in multiple births is stronger and tough...the testosterin can not penitrate into a female in the only sac containing her....in a dog....if all the other sacs contain males.   Cows or sheep are different..

Multiple birth animals have different structures., without going into the medical terms

If someone is doubting us,,,call your vet...he can explain it.

In a cow, when there is a twin birth  ,,that is what happens...


Birdy

by Birdy on 18 June 2008 - 20:06

Gabby,

That breeder seems to be looking out for your best interest. I believe she isn't sure and wouldn't want to sell you something that may not pan out for breeding.

I too have heard this theory. Mostly among pigs. I know a farmer rarely keeps young gilts (females) from a litter of mostly boars (males.) They don't reproduce or have small litters.

My friend and vet and I spoke of this topic once and she recalls having females from all male litters not being great producers so I guess it can happen.

I wouldn't keep a single female from a litter of 6 males either for breeding either. You might want to contact a veterinary teaching school and ask if anyone  has ever done a study on this stiuation.

 


by srilankagsd on 19 June 2008 - 10:06

This is like saying:

wishes made to a shooting start comes true.

What a load of crap. what i di know is that this female also will give birth to a large litter


Sue-Ann

by Sue-Ann on 19 June 2008 - 11:06

My partner's foundation bitch was from a litter of 9 males, 1 female.  She was able to produce 1 litter of 6 pups and then never cycled again.  It's an interesting idea that this could have been the influence of testosterone in utero that influenced her fertility.   She was extremely hard to get pregnant, required 2 cycles, progesterone testing and an unrelenting stud dog.  Very abnormal heats before and nothing after.  She did live to 11 years and 11 months.

Folks, don't condemn the breeder just because you've not ever heard of this.  That's not fair.  Be open minded and willing to consider evidence...maybe we'll all learn something.

I have noticed increased undescended testicles in litters wherein females out numbered males significantly.  Perhaps estrogen exposure in utero influences male pups as well?

 


by srilankagsd on 22 June 2008 - 00:06

Sue is right, dont always blame the breeder. Any animal is a gamble. If you buy an adult you gamble been cheated, if you buy a puppy, then you gamble everything but been cheated. so its a 50/50 game.


Ryanhaus

by Ryanhaus on 22 June 2008 - 02:06

 

That's the stupidest thing I have EVER heard!

My girl Sam was the only girl in the litter, and one litter Sam had was 13 pups.

Her smallest litter was 8 pups.

Sam was one of 3, two boys & her, her father did not throw big litters, but the quality
was to die for   I LOVE MY SAMMY!!!!!

 


by ilbolay on 22 June 2008 - 03:06

ive never heard that. she may be a real good, know it all, dog person (in a good way), who has devoted most of her time to learning about gsds. but i dout it, only a few people work that hard! lol! or mabey she dosnt think your the right owner for her. if you really want her, you need to prove it, if that is true, and if you realy want her, and love that puppy as it is, you have to  put that aside, if its true. just do what you think is best, but i do not think that, that is tru. hope this helps! 


by KEGiles80 on 05 July 2008 - 03:07

I have a female GSD that was the only female of her litter.  She has produced a litter herself last year.  No problems.  She had 4 males and 4 females, one still birth.   Hope this give some people a bit of peace of mind. 

KG






 


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