Is this Normal for a Schutzhund Club - Page 3

A truly good trainer can bring dogs of many types and temperaments to their best performance. Case in point: Franz Gugnon in the BSP with show dog Jasko vom Stahlburg (sp?)... Unfortunately, most of the "trainers" in the US are 1-2 trick ponies. If a dog doesn't respond to their 1-2 methods, its more often than not branded "unsuitable for the work" and banished from the club training program.

SS

Unfortunately, most of the "trainers" in the US are 1-2 trick ponies

That or they have a whole kennel full of puppies they need to sell

A good schutzhund club will not give up on your dog, and tell you you're just "wasting your time". I know this from personal experience. I have a nice male who does wonderfully in the sport. But when I got my female, she was his complete opposite. Not much prey drive, so she's always hard to work. But my helper kept saying each week I brought her, her bite was getting stronger, and she was moving faster. I was ready to give up before he ever was. If this club won't encourage and help you to keep trying, or if your dog doesn't even need to try, you just want to work. Leave and find another one if you can. Hope this goes well for you!

-Emily.

No Club or its helpers should never say your Dog is not good enough or it is not up to standard

At 14 months old its too early to tell

Take one Dog for instance ZENDER was a slow maturing Dog it took time, but look how he turned out one of the very best

Any club who says the Dog is not up to it EVEN if it is not, is not worth bothering with

I have seen Dogs pushed to get titles and i have seen the same Dogs break and continue to make mistakes after, And do you know why the handler did it ,for 'Damn' 'commercial reasons only and it makes me sad to see a good Dog ruined for greed.

As my old Karate Master used to tell me 'Those in Haste go Nowhere'. and it is very true words indeed from the old Man

I wanted to push on, he did not he got his way and i turned out to be pretty good, only beaten three times in eleven years, but beat each again several times, so go slow and allow the Dog to grow and gain confidence if the Club does not like it then tough on them

Remember no matter where you live or what country you live in Clubs cannot afford to lose members

Steve

You guys crack me up!  You act like there isn't a crappy dog out there, that all of them need time to mature.  The sad fact is that there is plenty of shitters out there.  Hell, look at the marketplace on here.  I see garbage all over the place.

Do you think a landscaper when asked to plant a beautiful tree can explain to his customers that the 2' gangly seedling will oneday become a truly beautiful specimen? 

Facts are facts!  Like people, there are some dogs that are suitable for other things.  Slice it however you like.  If it is a breedworthy test, your shitter is not breedworthy.  If it is a sport and your dog has no drive and will be a pain in the ass?

I hate this idea of thinking.  Just like in little league sports.   Everyone needs their chance?  I think it is garbage and it is ruining the character of our kids.  Nobody has dealt with these kids and they have never felt adversity.  The minute things get tough, they bring a gun to school.

Toughen up people.  The world is getting tougher and the people are getting weaker.  Place your shitter in a nice home.

Let me start by saying your dog while from titled dogs may or may not have what it takes to be titled themselves.

It would help for more information on why they said this for anyone to judge. What are the drives like would be a start. Does he/she have food and ball drive, any nerve or spook issues. Questions like that need to be answered before we can advise you.

Not everyone can afford a pricey green dog or a titled dog this is very true but there are sorted out young puppies from most kennels showing some good drives for the age without breaking the bank. Not every dog is a National level but a fair percentage can achieve a title at club trials. It also depends on you how much imprinting have you done and playing ball and tug to enhance the drives all things to consider.

I do not know which club you are in but some do not like to fool with newbies and this is a shame but I have experienced this myself at some clubs.

Puppies are a gamble no matter who the parents are. A lot of  clubs have breeders in the club and sometimes not always a good place to buy a puppy from. I know some clients have purchased from me and when they take a puppy to their club sometimes hard feelings are shown.

Also some trainers are not used to dealing with puppies or knowing how to build drives without knowing the club this may or may not be the case but something to consider.

Maybe get a second opinion of the dog and see from another trainer as well. I hope all goes well I have invested time in dogs who did not make it and it is disappointing but there are other things you can do with them the title is not the end of the dog. Maybe pet therapy, search&rescue or just your pet to love will be enough. If you are happy with her/him dont pressure them in the sport if they are not enjoying the training.

Good luck Marlene

Our club will help you get a BH on a pink giraffe if it isn't seriously dangerous and you're willing to put in the work and committment to get the title... and we WON'T try to find you another dog unless/until you want one! Its amazing how much a newbie can learn with whatever dog they bring to the sport.

SS

True the dog may be a shitter.  We don't know, none of us have seen it.  To the untrained eye, it may look like your dog is doing everything that the other dogs are doing, but to an experienced eye lots of holes and weakness may be present.  I think any dog with any type of drive is worth training and learning from.

It doesn' t mean you get to run blinds and do a SchH III routine everytime out, but if your dog can increase its drive and advance to short runaways in training, so be it.  YOu have to have realistic training goals and time in any dog.

However,  there are trainers that tell you your dog is shit, buy one of mine if you want to do sport.  I've seen it.  One in particular stands out.  Great dog, phenomenal, every judge that had ever seen it thought it was one of the best they had seen anywhere.  Most wanted to bring it back to Germany for "good" breedings.  This handler and dog went to another club where the TD said the dog was shit, too crazy , and it needed to be replaced

Seems you have more shitters over there than normal according to Mr Corleone

meaning he is in affect taking the word of the people running the club that the dog is as he says a shiitter

Sorry, but heres one who does not agree, Did you ask your 10 year old if you had one to take a GCE or high qualifications at school akin to someone half his age again, the kid is not mature enough then ,on the other hand another kid  the same age is and  goes on to pass with flying colours,

But later on your 10 year old can catch up and become better than the other kid

in other words your kid took time to mature and so it is with some Dogs no different

Steve

 This thread reminds me of the advice I got from the breeder of my Axel to quote" Never give up on a dog too soon because there is nothing more embarrising then going to a trial and having your ass handed to you by a dog that you said would never work"