Garlic can be damaging! - Page 3

 I'm not willing to get my dogs sick or dying to GIVE you the case to show you that it can cause problems with a GSD sorry, that's the point. Do the research, it causes immune mediated hemolytic anemia at an unknown dose. The only info I can find from any sources is "at toxic dosage". Well what the heck is toxic dosage? Noone can say. Like we said, nobody said those that are willing to take the risk must stop. I just think it's good to KNOW the risk, so should your animal suddenly have a problem with it because you ARE risking it, you might at least know what's going on. 

And I don't go by a vet tech or vet handing it to my dog (not exactly sure what you were saying yellowrose)...I had the last vet tech tell me when I told her the dog in my care seemed to have a problem with the corn based diet they had recommended, that we should try a WHEAT based diet if the dog has a problem with corn! Most of these guys know NOTHING about nutrition.

 I have absolutely no problem with natural cures, nor supplements. I use and promote Vetraceuticals for goodness sake. I DO have a problem with not knowing what risks are there and just giving something to the dog because you can. 

I remember a certain home remedy for dogs that ate their own poop, and that was to sprinkle garlic on their food. I only had one that ever did this, and she eventually "grew out of it" so to speak. I did not use this treatment for her, as by that time in my life I had discontinued garlic as a supplement. I also do not know how many grapes or raisins I tossed to dogs until I learned that I should not do that either.

I also remember a long-deceased GSD who used to ride with me when I made a trip to the recycling facility. There was a doughnut shop near the place and I bought doughnuts for the two of us (share the guilt here) and we secretly enjoyed them on the return trip. I remember that chocolate-covered doughnuts were her favourite by far, and I have no idea of how many she consumed over the years. That was, until one day after we arrived home and she wiped her muzzle on my wife, who thought the residue was blood. I told her it was "only" chocolate from "a" doughnut. She told me that chocolate was poisonous for dogs, so I began to read on the subject and concurred that she was correct. No more chocolate doughnuts-just raspberry Berliners for me and an occassional plain one for the dog. She lived a normal lifespan but succumbed to kidney failure past the age of eleven (11) years.

There are certain plants (and animals) items that cause certain death for dogs if they are consumed, and others that cause at minimum, severe convulsions. I do keep a list of these on my website should someone wish to read them. The danger with garlic, onions, chocolate, raisins, etc. is that no one can determine what exactly will result in a lethal or debilitating dose, so it is perhaps best to err on the side of caution.

Regards,

Bob-O

I do know the suggested toxic dose causing eccentrocytes and thereafter hemolytic anemia. It is in the scientific literature. But, because enough documentation on enough dogs dose not exist to clearly extrapolate dosage it would be perhaps of no help, and, because dose toxicity levels can and do vary in some cases from species to species and animal to animal within a species, it is pointless to give it.

People are interesting. They fail to note that many, many supplements can be, if not pure bunk as to efficacy, toxic. They fail to note that a proper diet probably precludes completely the need for supplementation of any kind. I have more dogs now and have had more dogs in my care than probably most, if not all on this board. I use NO supplements on a regular basis. In rare cases I will add some Prozyme to the food of an old dog, or one recovering from illness or with some digestive disorder. But I have healthy looking dogs, glossy coats, bright eyes, rarely ill and full of energy dogs. Oh yes, I feed them a quality kibble and it works for us. I also work many in sport and do a lot of appropriate physical conditioning with them and none of them have trouble with this either because they are properly fed and healthy.

People do not think about the fact that everything is a chemical. Just because it is NOT man-made does not exclude the possibility of problems with it. Just because it IS man-made does not automatically condemn the substance as some terrible, horrible, toxic blight on humanity or the creatures of the world.

If more people were required to learn real science, learn a little about toxicology, the immune system, chemistry etc., perhaps we would not have to have these discussions. In the meantime, what one does or does not do to feed or supplement their own dog is up to them. But it would be ludicrous to think that if information is known about a particular substance someone is not going to give it when a question is asked here. Never mind that too many would rather ignore any type of information except what they read on the internet, regardless of the quality of the source of data or information.

It is clear in my mind that at least in certain dogs, some level of onions, chocolate, and garlic, to name just a few, can and have had toxic effects. Not terribly different that the fact that millions of dogs have been given Rimadyl, for instance, with no adverse effects, yet in some rare cases, the dog becomes very ill. Genetics, like in all things, is probably at the root of such differences.

yOUR RIGHT HODIE... EVERY DOG IS A DIFFERENT CASE...I JUST HAVE HAD EVER ANY PROBLEM WITH GARLIC ON MY DOGS FOODS....IT IS USUALLY ONLY ON THE MEAT AND SOME ON THE KIBBLE IF NO MEAT IS FED.

MY MALES HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A VETS OFFICE EXCEPT FOR A HIP EXRAY AD i GET MY RABIES FROM THE SCHEDULED RABIES CLINIS THAT COMES 2ND SAT OF EVERY MONTH...MY MALES ARE 9 YEARS, 7 , 5 AND 4 YEARS OLD AND NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER BEEN IN A VETS OFFICE..

ALL OF MY FEMALES HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE VETS OFFICE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN EXRAY ON HIPS OR BRUCELOS OR A PANEL RUN FOR PROOF OF THEIR GOOD HEALTH....

i HAVE ONE FEMALE WHO HAS BEEN TO THE VET FOR A SCARE OF DIAHREA ONLY TO DISCOVER SHE GOT IN THE GARBAGE WITH OUT ME FINDING IT....

I DO VET CHECKS ON ALL PUPS AT 6 WEEKS OLD AND MOTHERS GO ALONG FOR THE LOOK....I CAN BOAST OF HEALTH AND I FOLLOW MY RULES OF NUTRITION AND HAVE ALWAYS SAID      WHAT WORKS ON MY GERMANS MAY NOT WORK FOR YOURS...BUT I CAN SURE VOUCH FOR WHAT I DO AND WHAT I ADD TO MY MEATS OR MY KIBBLE AND HOW I DO MY DOGS....IT IS MY OPINIONS AND IF THEY WORK FOR ME ....THEN THEY MAY WORK FOR OTHERS BUT THE WHOLE PICTURE OF HOW TO FEED AND WHEN AND HOW TO DO ANY THING I DO ,,CANNOT JUST BE PUT ON A PAGE OF THIS BOARD ,,IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG TO EXPLAIN.

i ONLY TRY TO SHARE THE TYPE OF METHODS I USE AND GARLIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF OUR DINNER...I DO NOT GIVE PILLS OR CAPSULE STOREBOUGHT....BUT I DO LIKE TO ADD TO ,AND PREPARE A BITCH FOR WHELP OR PREGNACY.....BUT I HAVE MY WAY OF DOING IT FOR EACH DOG..iIDO NOT GIVE IRON AND CALCIUM IN SUPPLEMENT FORM     I USE FOOD TO GET THESE VITAMINS AND VIT C ALSO....BUT THAT'S  NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT...SO ON WITH THE GARLIC   .......BREWERS YEAST AND GARLIC SUPPLEMENTS ARE PRODUCED BY THE  NUTRAVET CO AND I HAVE USED THEM OFF AND ON ...BUT I JUST USE  POWDERED GARLIC AND GARLIQUE..THE LITTLE STINKY PILL... I TAKE THEM TOO...BUT NOT EVERY DAY..  I DO USE GARLIC AND OLIVE OIL IN MY COOKING AND SINCE MY DOGS DONT EAT SALADS AND STEAK   I GIVE THEM GARLIC ON THEIR RAW MEAT...THEY KINDA LIKE IT... NO ONE SHOULD FEED THEIR DOG ANY THING THAT THEY ARE NOT SURE IS FOR THEM....MY DOGS HAVE NOT EVER HAD A PROBLEM...WITH GARLIC...ALL I CAN SAY...

Nothing in life is risk free.

If garlic was so dangerous to dogs then why do highly reputable, licensed firms produce garlic supplements for dogs?

ANYTHING in excess is dangerous, garlic given at the correct dose is perfectly safe for dogs.;

Grapes and raisin are very dangerous but nobody knows WHY.

Theobromine in chocolate is dose dependant and dangerous to dogs; onions are an issue.

A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.

ah so   i cook Hainanese chicken rice  use cloves and cloves of garlic    garlic good to feed dog make bite hard give full grips long time  what really really good for hard bite and full grips long time  you go now buy chinese fireworks   tear open and get gun powder from inside and feed to dog  gunpowder give dog extra hard bite    ancient chinese secret

I expect  Fred the G.S tto drop dead  or to be ill any time now because he gets Garlic twice a week and has done so for 14 months

I expect that is the reason that two other Dogs of mine died at the early age of over 31 years between them was because i fed them Garlic twice a week

Some of you Guys read things and treat them as Gospel, the less notice you take of what you are told by mostly Govenment Clap Trap the better off you will be

As i said  in a above post everything in moderation is Good

Even things which are known to do not only humans and animals good,  taken in  in excess is harmful,

and that includes just about everything, there is no exceptions

Steve

singsomoresam, just like for dogs, gunpowder down throat keep people from putting foot in mouth ?

Steve1 I agree with you.  You can take the best dog food made in the world, or even the freshest chemical free raw food in the world and if you have a pig for a dog, overfeed it and you can kill it that way also.  I have had shepherds for over 25 yrs....my last one died 2 months short of being 13 and she was oversized--108#s.  So if the garlic and brewer's yeast was bad for her so be it.  I have another one coming up on 9--more normal sized-72#s and she has been getting it since 8 weeks old.  I will continue to give it as long as it is marketed.  In other words I'll take my chances because it has worked for me.