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Sunsilver - Armor not needed :o)

As with any invention, people will have the best of intentions for the use of the product, but there will be those who will bastardize the product for some other use, or in some cases for some other gain.

I do not oppose microchipping and there are more than likely MANY wonderful uses for this product.  Unfortunately there are those who will use them unethically as a tracking device and not as an identification device as their intended use.

And as you state:  Voluntary microchipping should continue.

Sunsilver: Yes  , you have made a good point...but in the USA today our  minds are being let by a government control by legislation and pharmacutical and phsysicians and the whole  reahlm of control over humans or the big money companies cannot keep in existance and anyone who raises up against socialism or what is happening within the walls of Washington D>C>    you should be tracked....

Only a few very low percentage of humans lost by old age , or problems mentally, are every found by chips or even go off and not found,,,and very few animals are returned by chips because  very small percentage happens....also it has been found that the book keeping systems in the dog or animal world with the chip program has fallen by the roadside....not dependable for several reasons....

Yes, it has worked in some cases,,,but for all these years of our lives   we have survived on our own volition and dont need a chip or any other ID to be followed or to know my where abouts because when our govenrment falls to the anarchy of the rulers of whoever succeeds in mind games on all of us to fear that we need chipping, drugs to solve all problems and need an antibiotic to heal a toe nail or heal a mosquito bite , or we need gas made out of corn or alcohol....

The Feds are hunting our money to the bottom and globally we are in a big mess.... Agrabusiness is controlled by the big money men in foreign countries..  African farmers wont sell Americans food to give to starving Africans we have to buy expensive AMerican foods here and ship it to them,....make sense.....no  ..food prices are on the rise and food shortages is in the future fast and our dogs and our pets are going to be affected by new laws controlling when , what and how we own, and take care of them.    Care of our kids is already controlled in America , if you dont treat them like the laws of Congress in some states pass,,,you will see your kids taken away by a court.....because you chose not to give Redilin to a child who is a bouncing healthy noisy boy or girl who interupts the class in school.///   Same thing being done here in USA about your children,,,as is not being done to tell you how to raise your pets......Read Kevin Trudeau's three books.

Personally, my biggest beef re. Big Business controlling the world we live in has to to with our continuing dependence on oil. I saw this happening 'way back when I was in High School. Some very smart inventor would come up with a car that ran on a new fuel source. He'd start to make a name for himself. GM or Ford would offer to buy up his patents for a very healthy sum of money.

And that would be the last anyone would hear of his invention.

Simple logic: get us off our dependence on oil and gas, and there will be NO NEED to slug it out in the Middle East. Hopefully, we'll even be able to find a fuel source that will decrease CO2 emissions, and thus help prevent global warming.

But no. For many decades now, it's been "what's good for the Big Three automakers is good for the country..." And they, and the powerful oil and gas marketing cartels have a very strong reason for keeping things the way they are!

BTW, gas jumped to $1.20 a litre here. It's gone up about 15 cents in the last three weeks. Part of it is the 'usual' increase that comes as soon as the weather gets nice, and people want to travel. Ohhh, yes, no one is ever going to convince me they don't CONTROL the supply, so they can do this to us, and claim, 'Hey, the price is supply-demand based!'

GRRRRRRrrrrr!!

There is plenty of un-mined oil in the US and in its offshore territorial waters (ie Alaska, Nevada-Utah-Wyoming massive oil shale deposits, Dakotas, California, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas).  But alas through covertly paid lobbying means, the environmentalist  factions have prevented drilling in these areas and prevented the buidling of new refineries. No new refinery has been built in the US for 29 years. Coincidence, I don't think so.  This is a planned situation.  Who directly benefited?  That is always how to figure out the background manipulations. 

The oil companies and the politicians they "grease", that's who.  The world is literally awash in oil.  The Russians discovered a large underground river of oil which could supply the whole world for at least 15 years a few years ago, just for one example.  Canada has massive oil deposists in sandstone, only a fraction of which is being mined now and exported to the US as slurry to be refined into fuels including gasoline and diesel products. 

Students of history may remember that at the turn of the century Americans became fed up with the oil monopoly (standard oil) and broke it up.  For years the wild-catters mined a lot of oil in the central and lower central US.  And then the gas and diesel prices were low.  But mr. big moved to Texas from the east coast to set up the drug supply networks and took down the wild-catter oil companies.  Then we had the arising of Exxon and Mobil, a new monopoly situation.  And then all the decreased supply, no more refineries, and refinery fires or tanker crashes every time the price of oil sunk too low (this has been well demonstrated by a Professor at the Univ. of Illinois).  The purpose of the war in Irag was to keep its oil off of the market to restrict oil supplies and keep the oil prices high.  And now you know the rest of the story.

What then can and should be done?  The first thing is to break up the oil cartels and monopolies within the USA and bring back all the wild-catters who have capped their wells.  Then start drilling in all the now forbidden areas of Alaskla, off of the coasts of Florida and California.  The drilling technology is now better than ever and oil spillages from it are almost non-existent.  Then repeat this pattern with all other corporate monopoly strangelholds which have been forced upon Americans through political graft, payoffs and corruption. Almost every single elected official needs to be unelected and replaced with real Americans who will follow the Constitution and Bill of Rights instead of beiong bought-off cutouts.

Now, one might say what the heck does oil have to do with dogs sports and the GSD breed?  Answer:  everything. Here's why.  One of the greatest threats to the GSD breed is high fuel costs.  This decreases travel to participate in dog sports.  High fuel costs raise all the prices for all goods, since transportaion costs go up, and the costs of food rises with it. The recent commitment of many state gov't to ethanol from corn production of course will result in serious world wide food shortgaes as farmers switch from wheat to corn to cash in.  Kinda seems like a plan to create an international food shortage, no.  According to fuel production specialists in Brazil, switch grass is far more efficient in producing ethanol than corn, which is at the low end of the efficiency spectrum and a poor choice, requiring use of far too much water thus creating a major drop in the water tablewhere the refineries are located. Not too bright huh.  Unless it is part of a bigger plan to take the USA down.  The single driving force of the American economy has been cheap energy and if that is removed, the economy will quickly revert to a cvaste system with a very small or non-existent middle class.  All the unconstituional so called "free trade" agreements such as nafta, cafta, gatt have done nothing but strip our national sovereihnity and transfer most of our manufacturing out of the USA. The big corporations who used the USA to get their wealth have jettisoned us and moved on to wider global green pastures and don't care a hoot about us at all. 

Dog sports and the GSD breed are the canaries in coalmine.  When high fuel prices run their coarse and you see these cut back to a fraction of what they were five years ago, then you know the end of our republic will be close at hand.  Back in the 1920's when the first GSD imports came into the USA, the sport was typically only participated in by the upper classes, it was generally a sport for the very well off.  The dog shows were typically held on the country estates of wealthy aristocratic families.  During the 1950's up through the 1990's the GSD related sports became generalized to the middle classes.  I see this trend reversing rapidly the last few years and especially the last year.  No dog sport can thrice if high food and fuel prices produce a major economic depression.  WE are now in a very major recession, the worst since 1970 when we had wage price controls.  The big question is that unless the gov't breaks up the oil cartel monopolies, can the US keep from a quick descent into a major depression like in the 1930's?  The answer is no, so folks better get cracking on this very quckly before we see the end of the USA.

The AKC has ALREADY made it a sport for the well-to-do, with professional handlers!  

Sunsilver, you are right about that.  I always like to see owner handled dogs.  The HOT dogs are the epitomy of excellence.

The richest 5% get billion dollar paychecks speculating on oil, real estate,banks, and power (gas and electricity).   We get the shaft.   Gas goes up, food goes up, and our electric bill goes up.  The only thing that doesn't go up is our own income.  And the environment suffers from our misuse of it all.    This has all been said and everyone knows its true.   Now what???

Its a bad time for me to get into this conversation so you guys figure it out.

SSDD

 Preston, I think the extreme consequence as you put it, "the end of the USA" is not likely to happen. This is our own fault since we were warned during the crisis in the '70's to find alternative sources of energy, but ignored it completely once gas prices receded. Never did the price drop back to the original cheapest price, but became something everyone got used to swallowing.

Two Moons: What you say gives me a chuckle, because it reminds me of my husband (who follows the price of oil like a hawk, constantly bemoaning the state we are in.) He feels for the real plight of those less fortunate, especially the poorer classes. And then I remind him, didn't you buy oil  in your retirement account, aren't you kind of wanting to "stick it to the man", oh wait, yeah...I guess you are the man!"  (I love that commercial if you know which one I'm thinking of...) 

And, I agree, the environment always suffers. Did you know there is not a single beach in the world that does not have manmade garbage on it! I also find it ironic that even as everyone complains about global warning, anyone can chop down a hundred plus year old tree for the simple reason they don't want to clean up the nuts when they fall in the fall. But I'm a closet treehugger from way back.  

I remember the commercial..LOL      When I go to the river and see all the plastic bottles I could cry.   My real problem with all the worlds ills is that I dont believe it will get better.   And I dont believe in miracles either.   I truely believe we are screwed.   We are our own worst enemy and all other life is at risk.   Maybe nature will rid the world of man, its not impossible.   Anyway all this stuff is depressing me and I am gonna go now.

Later.