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by Silbersee on 31 December 2007 - 00:12

by rockinrkranch on 03 January 2008 - 00:01
Here are some pictures of her taken tonight after her bath. Let me know what you think. There is a huge difference between her and her brothers, but I just want to get some other opinions.

by Mystere on 03 January 2008 - 00:01
Hodie,
PREACH IT!! You are absolutely correct: the time to seek information and ask questions (and find out what is behind the dogs you are breeding, like carriers of long coat) is BEFORE the breeding is done, not after. That seems very, very basic to some, but apparently not to others. A little pedigree research should inform one that dog Y and bitch X are possible carriers of coat factor. And aint you the bitch for pointing that out!! Better you than me!!
by WiscTiger on 03 January 2008 - 01:01
WOW, I have not found that getting information about the breeding stock behind my dogs or dogs that I have looked at to purchase not easy to come by at all. Maybe some of you are part of a secrete society who know all these things or there is a special code or hand shake, but lol you don't share with people who ask.
If a person has never seen a coated pup, how would they know if it is a plush or a coat. I own 3 coats (this info is just for Hodie, they are all spayed or neutered), I knew they were coats when I purchased them as pups, but there is such a variety in their coats. One female has a short tight coat on her body, but has very long ear fuzzies, my male is a long stock coat and my other female I thought was a true LC, minimal undercoat until I got her diet straightened out.

by kitkat3478 on 03 January 2008 - 01:01
I bet I'll get alot of protests, but I'd put my money on that pup being either stock coat or smooth when all is said and done.

by rockinrkranch on 03 January 2008 - 01:01
As I said, neither the sire of dam have ever produced a long coat. And I can find no evidence of their sire's or dam's producing long coats either. The sire of this puppy is NINE years old and has produced many litter, but never a longcoat. The dam is six years old, same story. I DID my homework...that's why I'm confused about this puppy. I've looked at many, many pictures of long coat puppies before coming to this site (as I knew I'd get raked by some for asking a question) and they all look different.
by GSDs4me on 03 January 2008 - 15:01
The pup is darling, I know for a fact that Igel produced at least 1 longcoat pup b4 but his previous owner and the breeder of the pup had her professionally groomed and had her for sale on her website as a stock coat dog.....I saw the dog in question in training and she was a definite coat. But was passed off as not being one they tried to say it was old coat and it fell out. You can't lose that much coat in 1 weeks time. I've always really liked Igel he's one gorgeous dog. I've always wondered if Bella's coat ever grew back out, I'm sure it did eventually.
Crystal =)

by DeesWolf on 03 January 2008 - 15:01
Coats are very deceiving. In early August I met a very cute 4 month old fuzzy fuzzy puppy! He had long soft silky fur, that stuck up everywhere. I later saw that same pup at 9 months old and did not realize he was the same puppy. I thought for sure the owner had purchased a long coat. This pup shows absoultely no signs of being a long coat. He is a very nice stock coat. I am anxious to see if he keeps the stock coat or if it reverts back. Sometimes a puppy coat is just that, a puppy coat.
I currently have a 4 month old pup, which until about a week ago, I thought for sure was a long coat. Turns out he is just a plush. His short fuzzy fur is falling out to show a nice stock type coat underneath. However, the fur in and around his ears, makes this hard to determine exactly what he will be. Other than a wonderful, well temperamented, altered companion for someone.
by Blitzen on 03 January 2008 - 16:01
DNA does not lie. All the SV needs to do is require that every dog have that test prior to entering the ring and/or having it's Koer. That would eliminate the illegal trimming and would take every coat out of the SV gene pool IF that's the goal. At the least it allows breeders to know up front if a puppy is or is not a coat which might make their choice to keep or not a bit easier. The downside to the DNA test is I suspect some dogs that are visually considered "borderline" plushes will test positive as coats and the majority, maybe even all, will surely be carriers.
by WiscTiger on 03 January 2008 - 17:01
Yep, Blitzen eliminate more of gene pool and really put this bred in more trouble, makes sense to me.
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