Ideal confirmation in a young male - Page 3

C'mon, Preston, how about this one? http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/504027.html

He's a beaut. I just love his head and topline.

Blitzen, He's available: JGHKL SIEGER Minsk--Consul v. Ritterberg--http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/classifieds/46804.html--586 hits and counting! Linebred Ursus!!

preston, "dogs who set themselves up with the front lower leg titled forward toward the head from the ankle upward (which was typical for most of the GSDs of Capt. Von Stephanitz's early days in the breed--he was selecting away from this when he died). This is only my view and others are certainly entitled to their own opinions as much as anyone else." totally gone blank on these sentences, could you please simply things lil bit. regards anand vidwans

Like your pic you posted Louise hes a fine boy.....hmmmmmmawesome....and how old is he? I also like the pup at 6 mos Geronimo?

anand, if you drop a weighted line it will form a straight vertical. Imagine this line dropped from the elbow joint. The lower arm of the front legs should parallel this vertical line. Almost all American Shepherds(AKC) and faulty German Shepherds (SV)typically do not match this vertical line with the lower leg of the front legs. They slope forward of it, rising from the hock to the elbow. This type of stance results naturally when the GSD is not properly proportioned. The GSD places itself this way as an act of balancing.

yellowrose of Texas: "Like your pic you posted Louise hes a fine boy.....hmmmmmmawesome....and how old is he? I also like the pup at 6 mos Geronimo?" The second photo exemplifies Preston's ideal: Kratmosens Weltum--said to be less than 7 months. Indeed, the first photo is of Geronimo at 6 months. As I posted previously: "at 3-4 months, he was as homely as sin--gawd-awful gawky, dry, close-coated--LOL!" Preston and I prefer dogs with certain structual variations. He appears to like a deeper bodied, earlier maturing dog with a shorter back. In old AKC lingo, we referred to this a "cobby". I like a dog whose depth is not so deep (IMO) to restrict his "running gear". So long as the dog has a firm back and normal withers, I am more tolerant of a little extra length because it makes for a more efficient, ground-covering gait. Perhaps we should defer to McDowell Lyon on this issue. Such a dog has more room for an effective under-reach (with the rear legs not in opposition with the front legs)--JMHO. I believe that a dog with a really short back is more likely to have a choppy, less suspending sidegait with a more extreme topline while gaiting. I don't care for a huge chest and prosternum--guess I'm rebelling against the old AKC dogs with exaggerated features. I also prefer a slower maturing puppy. With the raw diet, I get this anyway--LOL. *************************************************************************************************** anand v, I believe that Preston is referring to a dog that stands "bridged"--the so-called "rocking horse" stance. If posed in an exaggerated stack, a dog from German lines is more likely to bridge (to maintain his center of balance and static equilibrium) than the Am-bred dog because he has more upright pasterns that are less yielding when stretched.

got the point. Thanks preston

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/36836.html am i right ?

Sorry, but this "ARTIFACT". I'm afraid that has more to to with the photo and the way he was stacked than it does with any negative structural qualities (including "incorrect proportions") with Yasko. Many very good dogs will pull forward on the toes of their front feet when alerting to a double handler. With Yasko, it was easy to pull into such a stance with his elbows more under his body because he did not have excessive depth of body or chest development. Occasionally, stretching forward when alerting is easier for a dog with a correct fore-assembly, shoulder angulation, and length of upper arm. For example, I have two photos of Karly Arminius (known for his excellent front). In one photo, the front of his foreleg is parallel with Preston's imaginary plumb line. In the other, Karly is leaning forward on his toes with his elbows stationed more under his body. Same dog--different photos.