A Very Close Call for Agitator - Page 3

Jeff, you sound foolish, you should quit while youre ahead.   I never said I could make the dog "piss itself" GARD did. And hes full of crap. I trust Gustav & Don, not you.  Sorry.

The dogs are green, at least if you trust the owners comments, I do.    I see little threatening, no more than any GSD in defense, even less so really .  Ears back, snarl & committing to a fight.  Then its on. 

What are you so afraid of Jeff?   Ive seen many mature DDRs, Czechs, Rotts 1st time on a sleeve under a threat on a bite, it wasnt as pretty as this, I can assure you.    Id take either one. A little more training & a very effective perimeter or PP dog. Hundreds of years of Darwin & Military work, also support this.

neither dog in either video presented a serious threat.  Read the body language.  Also the dog in the 2nd video IS sleeve happy.  Notice after he took the first bite rag he only went after the agitator when the agitator presented the other sleeve & waved it.  I'm not saying anything against this particular breed of dog, just that these two dogs are not serious.  Also the handler in the 2nd video is really strange.

Both dogs bit when whatever was closest to them got stuck in their face - the sleeve, the rag, the hidden sleeve - all were put within the dogs' reach and so that was what the dog bit.  The guys' face got close enough to bite so the dog released the sleeve and went for the face.  Serious dogs - sure.  Strong dogs - I don't think so - I think with serious threat the dogs would choose to leave, or fear-bite if leaving was not an option.  Still, this sort of dog can do PP and perimeter guarding just fine - they are big, they bark and they bite.   Don't have to be too courageous to do that, and it is what they were bred to do.  I woudln't want to be in front of a dog like that.

molly

I agree Molly.

My partner next door is from Georgia in Russia, Hes owned one & now owns a GSD.   These are twice as big, twice as furry & not nearly the pet. They are a Guardian Breed and the best at what they do. Period. 

They are used by the Russian Military outside of  depots, prisons, to guard warehouses & stores in addition to flocks.   You wont get past one unless you kill it.  I wouldnt want to feed them, they can get large-I think up to about 175#. 

Sueincc, like many on this board..you are full of horse dung & wouldnt know serious if it bit you in the rear. That dog, like guardians,  is all Defense. There is no play or prey, happy tail wagging. Not only are you dumb, but perhaps blind as well? 

Jeff..these dogs are generally naturally territorial. You dont have to tie it to a tree. Just give it a yard to protect & maybe introduce on a sleeve a few times, as shown.

I have seen around 20 Caucasian Ovcharkas and I owned one when I was 20 years old.  I think you are very wrong to think that they will run, Molly.  You are right that the dog is going to bite whatever comes into it's reach.  This is not a GSD.  They are not bred  for genetic grips.  Most of the breeders in the US make you go through an application process, they actually call your references, and then you have to sign an extensive contract.  Most contracts state that you have to have a six ft fence,  dog must always be on leash in public, etc.etc.  Most breeders won't sell you one that is not fixed.  Some will charge you a few extra thousand for intact. 

I don't have speakers on my computer, so I can't hear the high pitched bark some claimed.  The one thing about this breed is that they tend to mature very very slow.  My female was like that until about 3 yrs old and the light switch came on.  She became even more protective late in her life when I had my first child.  Often times she looked like she was going to chew through or jump the 6 ft fence to get at the threat.   These dogs have very solid nerves.  Very stable dogs.  I used to have to ram mine with the riding lawnmower just to get it to move. 

Someone on the other thread said that the ears were back.  Just to let you know, the ears are cropped all the way down to the skull. There is virtually nothing but an ear canal there.  Sometimes it looks like ears because the hair still grows around that area.

Great point, Don-  we dont always agree but here we do.  

Yes, ears are usually cropped.  There was no high pitched play bark. No happy tail wagging either, as the Blind Sueincc  stated.   She cant hear or see it appears.    Dog spit the sleeve & re engaged, both did.    And yes its true, their ages arent even known but one assumes younger, though fully grown, least we hope, they are huge. 

And yes, its a liability to own one.  You find find a better perimeter guard.  Thats a concern.   Theyre not a GSD or Mal for sure but an excellent guardian.

I just posted it as a how to or how not to,   and the egos & internet experts come out of the woodwork, with the BS flying,  as it usually does.

Some of uss have ADD Jeff. Come on!   Multi threads.   

Hey whatever, if you dont like the dog, so be it.   I think theyre pretty cool, albeit totally inappropriate for anything but a sheepfarmer out west. 

The Russians were outcrossing a bit, even used GSDs in them.  They are  somewhat popular there with folks, &  used as guards according to my buddy, As Guards,  Not as PP or Police dogs.    They are generally a very Civil, territorial dog that doesnt need alot of bite work.   

Sure youre not thinking of Black Russian Terriers?

Trying to see both sides and while the first video dog is somewhat defensive I do not see bad nerves. He seems to wag his tail for the first part of the video but stopped as he became more serious. He did hesitate some but may be from the agitation work to be wary and wait for an opening, too many unknowns here to really know.

Funny how we all can see things so differently; just based on are own knowledge and experiences. I actually enjoyed reading moost of these posts as they made me think and go back several times and view the video to try to see where others were coming from with their views.