Replacing dysplastic dog - Page 3

Hello Barb!

I am very sorry with your ordeal and want to wish you all the luck in the world. I can relate very well, as I have lived the same experiences with the best breeder in the world. (www.bloggen.be/hd)

Now it is a disgrace how some people here are trying to shove all of the guilt into your shoes. It's always the same old shi*.

"Now did you feed the right stuff? Did you not feed too much? Did you not exercise the pup too much?" I repeat! The same old shi* every time somesone steps in and says he's got a dysplastiv dog. Remember!! These guys are (possibly incompetent??) breeders and want to defend their own cases. Nothing more nothing less. They will wave ALL responsability. And they will says: "Shi* happens!"

It is awfull. Breeders have to recognize they have a full obligation to hand out a healthy dog. If they fail to do this, and don't want to negotiate for a solution, one must sue them in court.

YOU Barb, as a customer, are entitled to receive a fully healthy dog which answers the complete standard of the GSD-breed, it would not be a fine GSD if he had faults. Now if you have taken the trouble to go to a reknowned GSD-breeder, he has to deliver a heathy pup. Eveything else is bull.

Pardon my English and my typos, must run!

With the breeding and selling of dogs, it is so dependant on the honesty and integrity of the breeder, that a contract is almost silly.  A contract that states that you must feed something from a list of foods and must give a certain suppliment is possible, but a hardship in some cases, as some foods are not available in some areas.  Additionally, sometimes (as was in my case), your Vet. will recommend a certain food to correct a certain problem, and that food is not on the breeders "list".  Additionally, for our own reasons, we may decide a certain food is better for our future "hope" than one on the breeders list.  Proving what you gave the dog by showing a years worth of receipts is a joke.  Furthermore, with x-rays, many guarantee's say "one year guarantee against dysplasia", but by the time you wait one year, have the x-rays taken and submitted, wait for the results, then notify the breeder, thirteen months or more have passed.  That is a technicality that can be used to void a contract that states "one year, no more, no less".

As a breeder, people try their best to find a decent home for their pups. It is the same when being a buyer.  You try to find a decent person to purchase from, and as everyone knows, whether as a breeder or as a buyer, sometimes you are screwed.

Any breeder can make the claim that you let the puppy "hurt" itself, by playing too hard, or you hurt it by training it, or etc, etc.  They can also claim that you did not feed it the appropriate food, with the appropriate supplements.

This relates to the past thread about if contracts are worth anything.  Basically, they are not.  They are used to make it seem less of a gamble to a potential buyer, when in reality, a contract is only as good as the person standing behind it.  ANY dog or puppy sale contract, is so full of loopholes, that even a non lawyer can rip it apart, to void it as a possible winning law suit for the buyer.

Same with the contracts that some have to protect their pups in the hands of buyers.  Useless, except to intimate buyers into possibly doing "right" to the puppy.

Folks, when you breed two dogs to get a litter, it is a crap shoot.  You will get some good ones occasionally, some bad ones occasionally (more often than the former), and mostly mediocre pups.  Same when you purchase a pup.  It is a crap shoot.  Both parents could have "good" hips and the odds of a particular pup having good hips is about 80 to 85% or so.  Mate two dogs with bad hips and the odds of getting a particular pup with good hips is about 65 to 70% or so.  That is not a huge difference.

It is like buying a car from a private person.  It is a crap shoot and dependant on the honestly and integrity of the seller, and then, even if the seller is honestly selling you a car that is as they state, "shit happens".  How many times have you lent your car to someone and something goes wrong with it, when they are driving it?  Has happened to me several times, and I blamed them, but know deep inside, that it was just bad luck for them that something that was going to happen anyway, just happened to happen when they had the car.  Breeders should not have to make good on bad luck.  It is just part of life.  Getting a GSD pup at a young age, and having it grow into a GSD that is all one is supposed to be, and healthy, is so big a crap shoot that anyone who believes otherwise, knows little about the breed.  Yes, you can do certain things to increase your odds, but it is still a gamble.

Iwould like to hear a true story about a pup purchase contract, that held up in court, and did not cost the grieving party more in costs than they lost on the pup.

Try to get a contract at all from an European breeder.  They'll look at you like you're nuts.

Unsubstantiated remarks can not serve the public, MI GSD, with all due respect.

Let me quote the well respected Peter van Oirschot, SV-judge and an "institution" when it comes to GSDs, in a letter to me: 

"De VDH NL werkt al enige jaren met een standaardkoopovereenkomst."

and I will offer you the translation:

"The VDH NL = the GSD-Breeding Club of the Netherlands has been working for several years already with a standard purchasing contract."

So much for "they"ll look at you like you're nuts". If they DO look at you like you're nuts, they must be out of this world or be backyardbreeders.

Don't generalize please.

Barb knows I have been trying to get a litter for the last 12+ months to no avail. We have had more than our fair share of problems with semen in males. That is why Dipsie did not get pregnant after her breeding to Falco! Breeding by frozen semen was one but that is always risky. The last was to a American male by surigcal implant well, my luck his semen sucked out of 4 bitches he was bred to at that time all empty! The people that know me that matters know all that has happened.

Also, Barb never fed Nu-vet and if I remember she feed EVO to the pup, also told Barb when we did have a litter I would just charge her $300-500 for the replacement pup to cover the vet expenses, to which she refused to pay a penny. She placed Nala in a pet home which I said fine save you some money to which I have never seen proof of her being spayed. All is a mute point for I never had a litter after that. Do the fact Quinn developed prostate problems when he came back from titling and Dux who I had here was sterile (found out after breedings) am I supposed to crap out a puppy. I have done my damdest in the past and no Barb haven't fallen off the face of the earth but do work until late at night and don't check emails very often hence being returned. Sorry it worked out this way but Grum Majestat is no longer in existance. Dipsie and Sheila who is well retired imagine that after one litter ( i know bred my dogs to death) is my only female and Dipsie will be sold if the right home comes along for she is a hell of a female. There will be no more GSD puppies bred in my home or with my name, there are to many problems and to many heart aches. And I do not remember offering you a co-owned pup, maybe at the time of purchase. Since you want to make it public this is the contract you signed.

I am sorry it turned out this way but you can not force a dog to have puppies.

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by Dog1 on 14 November 2007 - 23:11