Anyone experienced this color..??? - Page 3

Yes I noticed the hair color on the tail too, thats why it strikes me as just missing the saddle. I have seen dogs witha grey "washed out" very small saddle.

This ad is on the site here and described as a red sable for sale(  male)

The chapter in Susan Barwig;s book  the Theory and Method of Training    schutzhund describes   years ago in Germany a golden shepherd along with the white......bred out of the llineage......later

It is not a red sable in Marci;s pic....and it could be pure bred from one of many lines,,,and it popped up   Maybe some of the older breeders on site will know of lines it came out of......they did exist,,,,,,

Yes, looks typical of red sable, without shading.  Different from the usual GSD 'sable' which is in fact wolf sable a^w ... a separate allele on the Agouti locus.  This is A^y  which is dominant to a^w so one parent at least must also be this pattern*, but not necessarily without shading.

Willis did write in on of his books that he believed both types of sable to occur in the GSD, and called A^y - golden sable, and a^w - grey sable.  It could be that A^y does exist in the breed and they are usually shaded, so not that different from the usual grey sable.  Chance occurrence of modifying genes to remove the shading, could be responsible for this unusual colour.

This dog would have been born quite dark with heavy shading, much like a normal wolf sable.  The dark pigment clears quickly from birth onwards as the hair grows.  This type of sable doesn't usually have agouti banding, but whole dark hairs interspered in the red, mostly on tail, ears and along dorsal stripe.  Yes, the mask is a separate gene.... but with or without mask, the whiskers should be black.

* Though not necessarily sable phenotype as there are other colours that can over-ride sable eg white, recessive red.

Yes Pod, that is the explanation I was given , just couldnt repeat it...not a studier of genetics..

The dog I posted is Griselda's ad   she of course , could lend to this discussion since she is knowledgeable in Germany of where all these colors came from or crop up from   I bet that pup was  indeed   darker when a pup ,

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Color genetics makes  my brain hurt and I can't keep track of all the modes of inheritance and expression, etc. The easy one is  the white x white  until you think about the beige and gold shadings. I'm glad this is a breed with so many different color possibilities though. It must be boring to see the same old all the time.

I wouldn't take the colour as a guide to its pure bred status. I know its definitely  not a rare colour anymore  in the uk . At present, many longcoat breeders  are regularly producing  this colour and this colour has an increasingly large following amongst breeders on the longcoat side in the uk. Some of the  breeders call it red sable ,others golden  sable ..many are  born with black masks and the others with blue masks..

Dreammaster GSD's,  Aristima GSD's ,Icemead GSD's ,Ballynabola Gsds all have this colour if you need to see examples of this colour...

I think livers and blues are popular in the UK too, both coats and stockhairs.  I have to admit I find the photos of the longcoated blues very interesting. Don't plan to buy one, just enjoy looking at them . 

So Pod and Luvmidog...

What you mean is that... there are dark Sable pups that fade in Black as they mature ( making them Grey...and not Solid Black..)  and there are light greys...( very little Black-shading  that grows deeper in Black overlay.) making the dog dark SABLE or almost Bi-color  when the pup grows..???

Guys... thank you very much... now let me ask for some pics of GSD X MAL crosses you may have digged up somewhere... And What about the S.V. koermeister that got booted after saying in public the GSD needs to be crossed with the MAL...(although I think he is a good breed-warden since he really knows the Working-side of GSDs..)

making the dog dark SABLE or almost Bi-color

 I saw a dog like this for the first time today while with the local police's dog section..they have a male who is 99.9% black   but he has a tiny area of sabling around his hocks , (rich  tan with black tips). He has a slight grey area of colour around his anal area but it is very small compared to that seen in some bicolours/sables. He has no break thorugh colouring any where else and from any other angle but behind he looks all black .. He came from a litter of all sables.(working lines). What would this dog be classified colour/pattern wise..It was a new one for me?

http://www.sheprescue.org/

I am shocked at this site....the amount of shepherds at this one location in rescue...

The reason for posting it is    a   golden shepherd   listed as one of the rescues     the name of dog   scroll down to  "Redford"

There may be more golden ones there, that is as far as I had time to scroll..