Love the look of this male! - Page 3

Animules  

Sorry about that, my computor keeps jumping to cannot find this web in the middle of a sentence.....so

Animules:  reread my thread,,,I stated that I knew that/ my question being/ sunsilver pulled this pedigree, showing a young dog with a HD already, so is it to assume that this dog is in GERMANY OR BELGIUM OR ELSEWHERE, AND IS READY TO BE BRED, BECAUSE IT HAS A PASSING HIP RATE....., I know it is untitled, but all I hear is dont breed to a HD unrated dog....Can this dogs rate be not right.....Thought this was a pup and hips are not to be trusted until 24 months,   

If not to be bred, lets say I bought this pup, with this inplace and find out at 24 months its only a fair or not passing......Why do they do the HD so young....

Why do we wait till 24 months?

And the reason this pup male is not liked by those of us that like the more muscled dog,    this dog looks like its getting ready to take a dump!!!! Roachback and to efeminate looking for a male,  IMO>  dont need happy pills to see that......or maybe I need happy pills to blind me...

I guess Sunsilver or most of the readers of this board will think twice before submitting a link to the photo of a dog they like. I know I sure will.

I just 'bout laughed myself off of my chair after seeing this picture!!!  Thanks so much Ninja for posting it and for this funny thread-I really needed a laugh tonight, because I HAVE a working line rescue with an amazing wkg ped., and she is SHARP (thanks for that thread all of you otherwise I would not know what the hell is going on with her) and I am finding out just how much rehab she is going to need because she was obviously forced to work.  My heart is so heavy...but with a rescue you get what you get, and she is still lovely, and has a temperament to die for.   She's just a companion dog who is runs away from danger of any kind leaving me with her collar and leash in my hands...(yes it happened)

T. 

Sorry, I meant the picture that Ninja posted-not of the male-I actually think his pigment is really good, otherwise I'm kinda with you Don...anyway, thanks for listening all...I'm really heartbroken over here.   Any Schutz trainers who FORCE soft dogs should be rehabilitated themselves!!!  JMHO

T.

I like the looks of this dog.  I also liked the looks of Ann Margret and Raquel Welch, who were both over angulated and not very good workers.  They also were lousy producers and their progeny never amount to anything.  But I'll take them any day over that great U.S.S.R. working women.

That is the way I feel about show line and working line comparisons.  Who cares if a dog barks at a guy behind a blind, or bites a sleeve hard and full?  Give me a looker any day.  When it is seen by a passing car, in my front yard, they don't see the titles or the nerves, but they do see the beauty.  I would be honored to have this dog as my own.  Much more than I would like to have some Schutzhund titled dogs I have seen work.

To each his own.  Wait just one minute........................................................................................................................................................

Okay, I just took a couple of happy pills.  Digesting, digesting, digesting..............................................................................................

Okay, better now, forget everything I just said.  Working lines are the bomb.  In looks and in abilities. 

Why I like this dog...

Look at that hock joint. There's some great bone there, very solid looking. He's a bit overstretched in the photo, but he's definitely not a hock walker like a lot of the American bred dogs (and some of the more extreme German showlines!) . He's got great pigment, and I LIKE his head! I think the huge chow-type head on many of the German showlines is UGLY, UGLY, UGLY!  Look at how broad that muzzle is...how could you POSSIBLY say that was effeminant?

Look at the top line. If he were standing more normally, it would be a gentle slope from withers to tail, just like the breed standard requires. He doesn't seem to be too long in the back, either. He's got a nice, full chest too. Yes, he could be better muscled, but he's young still, and muscling is one of the few things you can improve on with work. Few things conformation-wise, that is. We know nothing about his drives or gaits or working ability.

I rest my case.

Sunsilver,

This is where everyone's own tastes come into play.  I too like this male.  I think the picture doesn't do him justice.  I also think he is young and possibly that's what people are picking up on as far as the "feminine" look.  I say given another year, he'll fill out beautifully.  I too think he looks as though he has nice bone, beautiful color.  And, who is to say he cannot work? 

Of course, I am one who believes in beauty AND working ability.  I do like the working lines, too and find just as much beauty in a well built, well muscled, agile  working dog.  I think a gorgeous black sable is just as nice looking as a good black and red.  Hey, I like GSD's .... all of them.  But, it doesn't bother me when others comment for or against any of the lines as we all have our tastes and opinions on them.  I like to hear people's opinions and on here, you'll get many.  To each his/her own.  I love this site! 

luvmidog, you read more into this then I did then.  Nowhere did I see anything about the dog being ready to be bred. So I did not respond in that way either.     Perhaps they got his rating to see if he was worth continuing with, much like people can get prelims done here before too much time and effort is spent on a dog that may not have passing hip/elbow grades.

Everyone here is entitled to his or her own opinion. Personally, I think it's healthy to have and debate opposing views. What gets my hackles standing is the way some here make it sound as if it is stupid to admire a dog they don't particularly like themselves.  It is demeaning to the poster and shows a good bit of insensitivity on the part of the person doing the critisizing. The working people hate the highlines, the show people think the working lines are plain and even ugly. Instead of chastisizing Sunsilver for liking this dog, it might be a bit more productive in the long run to consider her critique of this dog point by point and debate her in that way rather than just make a blanket statement such as - ugh, you must be kidding, that dog sucks. I certainly hope his owner isn't reading this thread, but anyone who posts a photos here is fair game after all.

I agree with her about heads and think GSD breeders had better start paying attention to the length and breadth of muzzles. This breed needs a patent airway and shortening muzzles and making them heavier will eventually result in more missing teeth and bad bites as the entire shape of the jaw changes to accomodate the changes. There already are GSD's dogs that can't keep their tongues inside their mouths when their jaws are closed. I've actually read posts on here where the owners and breeders are bragging about thieir dogs' long tongues. That is not a positive characteristic unless it's a Pug or an English Bulldog.  GSD's with shortened muzzles will also have overly long soft palates that will cause them to struggle for air and sound like freight trains when they are physically stressed. I think you can already see that result in the show ring. Messing with the size and shape of the muzzle also leads to way too much stop and round protruding eyes. The breed will lose their tradmark almond shaped deep set eyes and round protruding eyes are prone of injury. Ear sets will also change. For every action there is a reaction. The Akita type head might be the current trend, but it is a recipe for disaster and  IMO it should not be so admired and bred for.