Differences in training for sport and real life... - Page 3

This is a very good thread.  Let's kick it up another notch to ask this question...If a dog has been primarily prey driven in his training does this mean the dog will not necessarily make the cut in becoming more civil to do real pp work or police work???  Also if someone could elaborate on this theory for me...a dog that has the genetics to do the work will not necessarily perfom on the level necessary to do pp work or police work regardless of the training.  Does this make any sense to anyone because it makes more sense to me that if the genetics are there then the drives should be there also to make the dog more civil to do real work???

realcold

you are such a dumbass...he asked for differences which i mentioned a few but there is always one smartass like you who wants to mention exceptions. geezzzz

Can we go back to the post that said they were DIFFERENT and quit the argument over which is BETTER.  I started with Schutzhund with my male and went over to NAPD...yes we are both a bit old......I would never  take him back to Schutzhund because he has been trained heavily to release sleeve if the agitator tries to make contact with the "threat arm".  Since SCH is single sleeve, the helper will get bit if he tries to touch dog with stick because dog will release and lock onto the arm with stick but without the sleeve.

AZSHEP, did you notice a change in the dog when you made the switch from sport to real?

Agar...good question....

You can take a good level headed dog with high prey drive and if you use agitation properly make the dog civil for police work.  one other aspect is that most of the cross trained police dogs i have been around were not nearly as trustworthy as many competition dogs due to their civil nature regardless if genetic or produced thru agitation.

APS1,

No change in the dog.  I think my next comments may tie into DRs comment about "trustworthy" and genetics.  The dog did not change because the training foundation was SCH.  I bought the dog thinking it would be a good sport dog and got alot more than I bargained for.  This may be a bit hard to describe, but from about 15-18 months old it became clear that the dog was motivated to get the "helper" and not just the sleeve.  By no means did the dog ever go after a leg instead of the sleeve but as soon as the sleeve would slip off the helper the dog would drop it and reacquire the helper as a target.  The dog would also launch himself at the helper with so much force that the helper would have to pivot almost 180 degrees so the dog wouldn't jam himself on impact.

Again, I hope I am writing with enough clarity, but the only comparison I can really come up with is that my other dogs  would be comparable to Olympic boxers....more technically correct and wear headgear in bouts vs. the working dog which is like a UFC fighter.  I do have the opinion now, that all working dogs can do Schutzhund, however, not all Schutzhund dogs can do the "real".(please no arguments on what the definition of "real " is.....thanks).

One final note......very few owners have either the time/dedication/ or skill level to go "real".  I learned because the dog demanded this level of training,  but  I  had no intent of going that direction when I got him as a pup.  The real stuff required nearly twice the time because the "real" dog is prepared to use their training every day and as the owner/handler you have to be on your toes whether it is a morning jog or an evening walking in the park.