Kulladogs Kway and advice - Page 3

Having both show and working lines I have to agree with Veronica and Jennifer for the most part.  I have seen completely couch potato working line dogs and high drive show line dogs.  If the breeder is honest and truly wants the best for his puppies,not just a sale,  they will not sell a high drive dog to a inexperienced pet home. Unfortunately I have seen some working line breeders that sell to anyone who throws money at them.  Just last year, we tried to help 3 different people work out the high drive problems with their "pets".  All from the same working line breeder.  Pretty sad as these folks are very attached to their "wild indians".

Debby

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You are very correct Don! An outlet and proper excersize makes all the difference in the world with some dogs.

Debby

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I think we all agree that each dog and litter is different.  It boils down to time.  Is there enough time for a baby and a puppy?  High drive, low drive, it does not matter.  They all take a lot of time some just more than others.  There is feeding, getting up in the middle of the night, cleaning up after them, getting them health checked etc...and that is just the puppy!  Now lets apply all that to the baby too.  That is what the majority of us were trying to point out. 

It stands to reason that if you breed a top dog like Kway to another good dog, you have a 50-50 chance of getting a better than average dog.  The puppy gets what it gets from its parents and grandparents and so forth.  If all you want is a pet to go to the parkwith then why do you need a pup from a top litter?  Even a less than top quality dog needs work, that is what needs to be looked at. 

I will go out on a limb and assume that Kway has had a lot of training by someone who knows what they are doing.  We are just trying to give a heads up to someone who by their own words is new.  It will save everyone a lot of headache in the long run if all this is addressed now.

Shawn

BTW, Don....good post!

I think the overwhelming point, which has nothing to do with working line vs. showline, high drive, low drive or anything along those lines is that a newborn baby is a full time job.  A puppy, especially a GSD, is a full time job.  Does she want to take on both of these full time jobs at the same time?  I believe that is the point that most of us are trying to make. 

Hi Don,

Thanks, I just wanted to clarify that the two (competition dog and family member) are not mutally exclusive for Kway or other dogs who compete at a high level. More to the comment about that being a "red flag" than anything else. I wanted to provide the other side of the picture that many people who read about these dogs on  web sites or see these dogs in competition might not get to see. As I'm sure you can imagine, when a dog is out in the public eye, you tend to develop a pretty thick skin about people's opinions. ;o)

And yes, I totally agree that a family expecting a new baby more than likely has enough on their plate without adding a new puppy to the mix. That is not the ideal situation for any puppy no matter how good the intentions of the prospective owners, not saying it can't be done, but it's something that would give us pause when considering a home for one of our pups.

Thanks again,

Jennifer

No disrespect to Kulladogs, but you are talking about selling to most people, yes, and people that know the breed and sport and not pregnant and asking us to give an opinion.......for her best interest......we know you will sell her a dog with the right temperament, but you in now way can guarantee that that wonderful temperament puppy, with drives, will not turn into a wonderful pup that requires more that a pregnant woman can give ........she gave us no indication that she is aware what a dog of your reputation , needs or that she has ever had  a german shepherd, and going into this blind is not good.....I am a woman that started 26 years ago by myself, not pregnant and that precious puppy,both the female and male ,,,drug me accross the Galveston Co park more than once, on my stomach, during training sessions, and had I not had clubs, and officers in the Dept to help me, I would have never mastered the way to manage and train these beauties.....

Many a shepherd ends up in a shelter, because people make the mistake of spending thousands on a wonderful reputable shepherd to find out they are too time consuming, too hard to handle, take too much time out of every day, cost a lot ot feed, and maintain and money here is not the deal,,,,,a pregnant woman who I do no know, but ask  our opinion, aand as a breeder , I wouldnt sell her one of mine.......Shed be in trouble because shed be on her rear end the first or second day,.... Mr Kulladog will do the right thing , we all know that......and glad he saw this thread and can assist her.....he knows what he has to do.....but I havae to lend to the fact that all our dogs may not fit into a home as a pet.......for a family that has a new baby and is not a schutzhund minded person......

The original posters question was (in a nutshell), is there a difference between these $1,200 puppies versus $1,000 local puppies?

The answer is we don't know because we don't know the breeder of the $1,000 puppies.  The cost of the puppy is not an indication of the quality of the dog.   The reputation of Kulladogs is stellar, anyone would be lucky to have a dog from one of their breedings.  I know that they are very professional & work hard to match puppies with buyers.   

oops, I meant $1,500 vs $1,000

sueincc: like you said price has nothing to do with it.....people are charging 2000.00 for a Labradoodle ? or whatever and  a new breed,called a     Shitzucoccapooyorko..... a tiny shitz zoo , cocker poodle yorkie.....hows that for a pocker full.....?

Good point Sue! 

Rebecca

Don't Think that because of what was said on here that the $1ooo dog is better.  Those dogs could totally be wrong for what you want.  The best thing to do is find someone in your area that has knowledge.  Ask them to go with you to look at litters or ask them to recommend a breeder in your area.  I wouldn't count out  a Kway puppy altogether.  Maybe, you should have that baby and evaluate when would be the most opportune time to bring that pup into the family.  Take your time and find out what your babies needs will be first.  You may end up with a baby that is a dream and realize that you do have time for a new pup.  You may have the baby from hell and realize that after being up three times a night, you don't have time to take the pup for a walk and throw the ball.  S Vargas is right! Puppies can be a lot of work all by themselves.  The nice thing about a pup is that you can crate or kennel them and go about your business.  With a baby it is always on their schedule.  You can't crate them and say, "I guess I'll feed him or change his diaper later". 

Wouldn't it be funny if we are wasting our time because Rebecca has a team of nannies on her side and she has nothing but time to go to the SchH club?