26 year old Iraq Veteran Gunned Down At Home - Page 22

Keith, if you come across Guerena's full autopsy report, let me know.
I'm curious if he had any tattoos.

4pack and Mudwick,
You always make a lot of sense and have excellent posts. 

Jim



 

BE,
I don't think the founding fathers really desired violent criminals to bear arms against citizens.  This is not a 2nd Ammendment issue.  When will you realize that?  The 2nd Ammendment helps law abiding citizens protect themselves from the criminals....Not the other way around. 

Jim

You better get your facts straight on this Marines case, Jim. This is serious and rightl so. Like you said earlier in this thread ... don't believe everything you see and read in the press. Or better yet,

Dial the First Marines or go to the website and contact inquire about this. Know the truth. Get all the helmet cams instead of the friggin' vehicle driver !!!  DUH !!!!!!

WAKE UP !!!!!!

GO MARINES !!!

I'm just glad to be a part of it all. <<KISSES>>

Ohhh and that search warrant affidavit, warrant and return .. have you seen it (lol) ?  And before you even say it again with the home invasion crap, I'm assuming you mean the slayings of Manuel and Cynthia Orozco  (?) Yes, I'm sure of it actually.

Anyhows, Jose had nothing to do with the home invasion and killings of those two people. Jose's brother later married a relative of those two people.. the one that SURVIVED the home invasion. WTF Jim !!!!

Jim,
we were making bets if you are going to answer these questions. I have won. Off course you will not answer my  questions. You can't. You can generate innuendos galore though. 
 Keith I appreciate your efford. I do.  Let me stress here that I am not saying that he was choirboy, that is not the point. I am saying that it is not clear what really happened . Everybody has a story. But Jim knows exactly what happened. Innocent until proven guilty,... have you ever heard that before somewhere. Innocent people almost got killed or wounded,  but Jim thinks it was OK.  That is what I am talking about. OK maybe the guy was guilty of something, but if SWAT  let bullets fly indiscriminatelly thne that was  not right.
 FYI. Guerena  was never convicted on felony charges. He had arrests, but no convictions. Nothing incriminating was found in the house and no drugs in his body. Ops!
 Most likely this incident is going to cost Pima county millions which they will have to pay to the Guerena family after years of litigation's. However  Jim; the judge , the Jury, the executioner  knows what have happened over there  right now at this moment even so it will take years for legal system to figure it out.
 That is what makes me mad. Disregard for justice and convicting here on PDB a guy before the jury is even summoned. As I have said I personally do not know  if the guy is guilty or not until the verdict is read.
 I would also say that the announcements were made for only (!!!) 27 seconds. Guerena was awakened by his wife and it is a good chance that he  had no clue about these announcements of was confused. I know that departments lost lawsuit where announcements was not done for adequate amount of time and  when the suspect was not given proper time to surrender. In some PDs the announcement are usually given for 20 or more minutes bilingually and in some cases it took  2 or more hours in multiple languages. Indeed what is the rush? Once you give an announcement the element of surprise is gone anyway.  Why to even then give any announcement when suspect has no time to respond.
Again I am not defending the killed person. All I am saying that properly trained professionals probably could   do better then this.
 Next thing is that in AZ are known home invasions  where criminal  invaders are wearing police uniforms. Also two members of  his wife's  sister-in-law's family were killed previously in a home invasion. As of May 2011, that case, in which Cynthia and Manny Orozco were killed and their 2-year-old daughter seriously injured, remains unsolved. Thus based on these facts I could  understand why situation could be misread by Jose Guereno. I have described here different angles where right or wrong needs to be determined and which are just infinitesimal fraction of what all the investigation is going to deal with. I would stop calling names and innuendos and assumption. 
That is a prudent and proper thing to do.  It may be found that the bullets which ended in the neighbors houses were not fired by SWAT. And that SWAT did everything just perfect. We just do not know.
Prager Hans

Really?

You're going to parade out his combat record, and then tell me the same man sleeps through multiple vehicles parked on his front lawn, loud sirens, people banging on the door screaming "POLICE!  WE HAVE A WARRANT!"?

REALLY?

Wow.  He must have been a real shitty Marine.  Talk about piss-poor situational awareness, if what you propose is true.

All of the home invasions took place at night, something that the deceased and his wife were WELL aware of.
The SWAT raid took place in the morning, during daylight hours. 

Again, what exactly are Cops supposed to do when people point guns at them?
The deceased had AMPLE time to realize it wasn't a home invasion and drop his gun.

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Mudwick that is not mine point. My point is that you guys have already conviceted this guy. Here on PDB!!!! What is wrong with this picture?
  
Hans 

I haven't convicted him of anything.

The facts are clear.  There was ample effort made by the SWAT Team to warn the occupants of the home.
Even the wife of the deceased agrees that her husband was holding a gun when the SWAT Team entered.


Point a gun at a Cop, you get shot.