Please show me your WL gaiting! - Page 21

Red color line is not best but good to very good in my opinion, black line is super, I have no solid explanation but I bet such a dog would be very hard for the best front angulated dog to beat in front reach.

Who is this dog SitasMom and how is her gait?

Hi Laura, I'm happy you're here, I remember that thread, a very nice one

Just glanced at this thread. I'm not familiar with movement. This is my dog (not moving straight, moving slightly towards camera but starting to turn to his left). Gathering from the comments, I'd guess that he's trotting here. 

After reading the posts about steep shoulders, I tried to draw the angles. Not sure if these are correct. Any help/advice? If they are correct, I guess he'd be considered steep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOg34w1DGw8&feature=player_detailpage#t=164

I don´t know, if this works, I tried to get a screenshot of Vegas at 2:44 min, you can see at that point ( the speed of the handler isn´t perfect for the dog at the other points ) his frontreach - here you can see that a tiny littlebit more length of upperarm would be perfect. - but I didn´t see the " perfect " dog yet, but that´s what makes every single one special...

Tiff, I will answer 2nd question, yes only slightly short but steep, needs also more fore chest development. Yes the shoulder angle is more than 90 degrees. Pleast note that 90 degrees is theoritical, when you trace centers of bones, front upper arm and shoulder blade, a degree of 100 is considered very good, I suppose some VA dogs have close to 100 degree shoulders.

I think yellow lines are closer to place of actual bones.

Didn´t work, now the video starts at 2:44 - computers and me, the never ending story...sorry.

Ibrahim,
The American Show Line is posed with its hind so far lowered (see breast bone), and head unnaturally high,  that maybe drawing a horizontal line is not correct?
Would it be better to draw a line parallel to the breast bone for a better idea of its shoulder angulation?

For instance:
 
here are 2 different stacks of the same dog (Vanessa) - imo lools like 2 completely different dogs.
by holding the dogs head in an unnaturaly upright position, the lay of the shouldner seems quite different.

Which dog, the long coat?

A longer upper arm is a benefit I think, but I've seen more than a few ASL's and German dogs with long upper arms that cannot fully open their shoulder joint. IMO there are a number of factors including length of humerus, where that joint is set on the dog and how it is hinged/constructed. When the dog stands naturally, does he place his elbow directly under the highest point of the withers or farther forward or backward (a wolf front)?  Does the dog have forechest /brisket or do his front legs appear to erupt from his throat.  Flexibility, length of muscles and ligaments.  How is the shoulder blade set on the dog. Is he loaded in the shoulders?  Barrel chested?  Slab sided? And does the dog use itself well or is he too lazy to move out at his best?  Is the dog in good condition? Is the handler a good one, is he or she moving out the dog at the best speed for that dog? Does the handler lift his feet when gaiting the dog or does he just slug along? Most dogs will be more "up" and move out better if the handler is energetic and graceful.  A good handler like JIm Moses can make a mediocre dog look like a deserving winner. Some German handlers can do the same thing with their dogs. 

So many things have to fit together to make it all work perfectly and in harmony. 

Sure does look like 2 different dogs to me too.