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by vomlandholz on 17 May 2007 - 01:05

Keep in mind, the person who first did this claims all pups were dna'd and they were in fact GSD's.

can you say maltipoo? or any other "designer" dog that is nothing but a mutt.

Angela

by NVA Jim on 17 May 2007 - 01:05

Live4schutzhund: Why in the world would you give such detail on how to do it? This blows my mind!!! Every dollar hungry schlep has enough info now because you want to show off your knowledge.

"About the Breed" "Body Structure" and "Standard" - those are the links on the main page of this forum. I'd like to see this post deleted.

Comeon people - 419 view so far and I bet at least one printed this out.

by animules on 17 May 2007 - 01:05

MVF, the color of GSD's is part of the standard. I don't think wanting to stay within the standard, including color, is being "huffy"

by live4schutzhund on 17 May 2007 - 02:05

I doubt knowledge of how easy it is to achieve is going to unravel the strands of the GSD universe. What it will do is show people that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its most likely a duck. Knowledge of a thing enlightens people to the truth. Showing how easy it can be done should deter people from trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.

by MVF on 17 May 2007 - 02:05

I don't want to intimate that concern is unwarranted -- what I am trying to get at is the inconsistency of criticizing the AKC (no favorite of mine) and worrying about color (an AKC obsession). And the inconsistency of being proponents of a working breed and then making a big fuss about color. (I have never liked the Captain's banishing of white, I admit, as it seems wrong to me to be prejudiced about color, unless the color clearly fails in the work, somehow -- like a black dog in a hot climate.)

IF the panda markings are hiding a secret crossing out to another breed (e.g., to a sheltie, as was shown above), AND we think the gsd is best left alone genetically, THEN the cross-breeds will fail to work well. I would not object if this forum challenged these panda dogs to come on out and show their stuff on the field.

IF the panda markings are a legitimate mutation, then the dogs will work as well as any other, and we should not criticize -- keep in mind that the breeder being cited is selling the pups for $400 with limited registration, so there is no effort to promote this coloration in the breeding pool. Perhaps some of us did not note that carefully?

Finally, if the cross-breeding is real and the dogs work WELL -- we might want to be open-minded!

Of course, if some breeders lie to the public and other gsd breeders with integrity get hurt by the bad reputation created, there is something to worry about. But my guess is that good breeders are not in competition with mismarked, $400 pups offered on limited registration. Are they?

by NVA Jim on 17 May 2007 - 02:05

Live4schutzhund: You're liberal view on this topic is the complete opposite of the standard and the future. You should stick with the "love of schutzhund" and not the "love of the breed".

by vonissk on 17 May 2007 - 02:05

The thing is, it doesn't matter if they are "only" $400/ltd. registration...........people that thin they are getting something really rare are notgoing to care about paers and are subject to breed the thinking they are going to make big bucks. Not only that, they are going to be so dumb that they will probably think they are big time breeders of a "rare" color. The other thing is the average person does know A from Z about the different registries and APR or CKC (Continental) papers are going to look just as good as AKC papers. For mor info on how thiswhole thing started, I believe it is Ferrari Kennels. The first one, Franka is on there with all her nfo and I believe her AKC papers say blk/tan which is a flat out lie. Another thingis if people want to being them out and show how they can work, I think that is great but NOT as an AKC GSD........Just some thoughts.......

by willowshepherds on 17 May 2007 - 02:05

Hey,

Check this site out:

http://www.pandashepherds.com

by WCGSDS on 17 May 2007 - 03:05

Wow! and to think that for many years AKC discriminated upon the longcoat GSD simply because of its coat, calling it a "fault". Now I hear that they will be entering the Panda Shepherd on their next show. You got to be kidding me! I'll take a longcoat GSD anytime over these "CLOWNS".

by immyjay on 17 May 2007 - 03:05

Folks talk about improving the breed. I still think that most of the breeders out there are in this for nothing but the money. In the late 60's when I and others that were breeding GSD's in my area would have a litter, if there were any white on the pups at all, we gave them away with no papers, also if there were long haired ones we gave them away with no papers. Now a days, folks are breeding and raising long haired and now it seems that there are being more and more pups being born with white spots on their chests and feet. Improving the breed to me is not causing mutations. Yes, color is important as well as working ability. The true GSD is being bred right out of them and as long as it is something that one likes, they will think that it is okay. JMO and I know lots won't like this but I have been fooling with this breed for a lot of years and this is what I see every day. Money, money, money.

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