price of stud fees VS puppy prices

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by meanderer990 on 23 April 2007 - 04:04

I didn't know I was directing any negativity your way. I thought I was agreeing with you???

by JRT on 23 April 2007 - 04:04

since I'd have to fly to most stud dogs, for a grand stud fee, plus flights, I might as well just take her on over the pond and breed to BSP or WUSV dog for E400-500. Sch3 kor classed and probably already produced pups that got titled and that I can see working in clubs. also, the stud owner spends a couple hours getting a female mated tops and walks away with his money. He does not risk his dog in puppybirth, spend 8 weeks cleaning up after pups and have to deal wtih all the stuff selling those pups brings. He spends a couple of hours doing a breeding - a thousand bucks for 2 hours investment vs 100s of hours and pounds of crappy papers. geez - I wanna sell you guys yoru next cars. Hmmmm

by ramgsd on 23 April 2007 - 22:04

AGAR, thank you. finally someone who understands my point. you get what you pay for. always hearing about how much work it is whelping a litter. and the $ it takes and the time involved. if you're going to a good stud (which you should be) what about all the time and expense his owner has invested in his upbringing and getting him to SCH3??? i know $1,000 doesn't begin to cover it. but who's in it to make big money? not many people do. it should be for love of the breed and like AGAR stated, the price keeps out those who would breed there $200 newspaper shepherd to a good stud and end up with dogs with bad nerves... and JRT, buddy let me know when you plan to make the trip and i'll have a deposit to you before you go. got to respect going for the best. but then again already have dogs off ASKO and his half brother BASKO. but always looking to add good blood.

by harddawg on 24 April 2007 - 02:04

I don't understand the point of this post. Everything costs money, blah, blah blah and then some.

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 24 April 2007 - 03:04

meanderer: I apologize if I sounded abrassive; I must have misunderstood. I was trying to state my position since I knew someone was gonna put their 2 sense in and start talking about all the "work" that is involved in weeks of cleaning puppy poop and finding buyers blah blah blah...small price to pay to make a few thousand dollars for cleaning crap for 8 weeks. Not to mention I'd imagine if you are breeding and you're reputable, you'd have contacts to market your litters to the right people IF you've been involved enough with the breed and or sport. ramgsd: I don't own a bitch and I am not a breeder nor have the desire at the present time to get involved in that aspect simply because I do not have the time to dedicate right now in my life. And what I mean by having the "time" is that I have little to 0 time for myself in a day and struggle to just work my own dog and it would not be fair to pups or anyone else in my household to take on that extra burden. Now if my kids were grown and I didn't have my own demanding business then I would have noooo problem cleaning some crap, making a few trips to the vet and becoming a salesperson for my pups to make several thousand dollars. That is minimal work to me to make that kind of money. Some people don't earn from their jobs all year what some people profit from breeding just a couple litters a year. And yes you get what you pay for. I've learned that the hard way and that is why I don't look for the "bargains". If I don't have the money to buy the best I can afford then I just wait until I do. I'd rather have nothing than have a pile of crap! JRT, if you are able to fly all over the place to breed your dog I envy you; I myslef don't have that luxury to take the time to do that-but it sure would be nice. Some people prefer to pay a little more to stay closer to home because it's more convenient. Besides once you add up all your costs you have paid well over $1,000.00 It's ok if others disagree; it's just differences in opinnions.

by harddawg on 24 April 2007 - 03:04

I think the post pretty much lost any value it could have possibly had when Ram started acting well, "juvenile".

by meanderer990 on 24 April 2007 - 04:04

Agar, I was talking to ramgsd buddy. Thanks though.

by Shelley Strohl on 05 April 2008 - 00:04

you take the bitch you either bought or raised to the stud that was bought or raised by his owner, and pay $1,000 for the stud fee. you produce 10 pups in the litter. now because of the good stud and bloodline you charge $1000 per pup. ($1,000-$1500 seeming to be the norm) and you keep one for yourself. 9 pups at $1,000 = $9,000 minus the 1,000 stud fee puts $8,000 in your pocket (less any transport fees)

You're kidding, right, or maybe you are drinking... your bath water? I'd say there's 50-75% chance that that female someone spends $1,000-1500. on a stud fee to breed probably WASN'T raised from a puppy by that person. More likey it was purschased as a finished dog, highly placed in competition, or sent to Germany for titles, survey, show rating, etc. for a small fortune. Once shipped over, for the last time (maybe) which costs $1,200+ these days, the new owner may well have hauled the dog all over creation, (maybe back overseas a few times too) for a year or two... or three, or??? to compete in events, spending more than some people make in a year on airfare, shipping, travel expenses, handler expenses, entriy fees, routine pre - and post-breeding health care, and, oh yeah, ADVERTISING (care to guess what a smallish color ad in Dog World magazine costs?) web site design ... 10 pups? I believe the average size GSD litter is 6-7, often a lot less after attrition. Add a couple of long-coat pups to the mix, and SURPRISE! You're lucky to break even. Throw in a C-section, maybe end up losing all the pups and the bitch, and UH OH... You're WAY in the hole. (again)

Add some jerk who wants you to guarentee everything from nose to toes, expects the puppy he only wants to pay a pet price for to fall out of his mother with Sch 3/KK1/V even if the idiot couldn't train a fly to land in a pile of horse manure, screws the dog all up and then demands his money back. It makes "normal" people wonder why any of us bother to try to breed good dogs in the first place.

The really bad news is that even with a $1,000 stud fee, the person who imported that top stud dog likely spent even MORE money promoting him, may well end up in the hole no matter how many $1,000 breedings he attracts.

by Stonehaus on 05 April 2008 - 01:04

Breath Shelley Breath. OOOhhhsaaa OOOsahh.LOL Absolutely great points.Many variables go into all litters and it seems like the bitch is the one who has the most to lose.

by ramgsd on 05 April 2008 - 01:04

Shelly we all know that there are cost with vets and so forth. Guess I just came from another breed of dogs where $1500 stud fees were the norm. Many of the top studs were not imported but were bred, born and raised here. But let's get real here. Your not loosing money on too many litters. If people were they would stop doing it. I'm talking the litter after stud fee and vets... you're still making money on the litter. (we're not talking expenses for training...) I'm not the IRS so don't tell me you not putting anything in your pocket.

But again as you stated, there is a lot of time and money going into making a great stud, so what's the big deal with $1000 fee for a proven producer?

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