Sch dogs playing with other dogs - Page 2

Its a personal prefernce. I have 3 in the house. On Sundays they play with Presa's Roties and other ScH dogs after ringsport. Takes no edge off their competitevness. You need to know the difference between dominance and play v agreesition. I have photos of 30 ScH dogs all playing rough. Really dont understand the question. Unless you have a 3,3 linebred on Mink that is on steroids nothing to worry about. Temperment tested and obedient.

I believe as pups they should be socialized with other dogs which may help prevent dog aggression later on. I have 3 dogs in the house, they all get along fine. I notice after a certain age they're not interested in playing with eachother or other dogs, two of my dogs who I compete or have competed with are both high ball drive dogs. The get along great with eachother but are much much more interested in playing with fetch me even when together.

GSDfan agreed. My oldest GSD stays to himself. As a gerneral rule they are loyal to their owner handler. Never take them to a dog park. As long as they have been socilaized and have the right temperment, being titled has nothing to do with it. The argument can be made that a tiled dog has stonger drives. True...they also must have the right temperment. So the question if asked "should a high drive dog be encouraged to play with other dogs?" Depends on their orientation and the setting. It must be in a neutral enviornment. Dont expect your dogs to play with any dog in your backyard. A titled dog IMO is proven and I would feel more confindet with other titled dogs. I truely have seen 30 dogs chasing each other and playing after a workout in ringsport. Not before.

Oh boy guys, get a real dog and I go round and round about this too. Our pups cannot play together, Baden already shows he will eat his little sis up. Not really, but he would dominate the hell out of her and that would not be good. I do a couple times a week, let the pups out with the other adult dogs. My adults are mellow and great for mingling without a fight. I always want my own dogs to know eachother and for me to understand their relationship together because a mistake meeting is always possible. I like to have my pup encounter some positive dog to dog experiences.

what i have found .. a loy of these concepts , ideas about the GSD are so archiac and even those having trined for years ... demonstrate to me the lack of fundamental knpwledge of canines and the GSD . All my GSDs .. have been in one way or another in pack structure .. the fact is that i develop my relationship with my GSD .. and thast done in the correct way does not diminish the least it's character or working ability . just the oipposite without isolating my GSD they even work Better ! the fact of the matter is .. tou folks really better look at your BREEDING programs -- i have followed the GSD for 40 years ..most of your breeding programs are deplorable .. so much so thet you feel you have to kennel your dog [ mine ,.. all 12 presently live in my house !] to get the most out of it .. hogwash .. if the dog has the genetic make-up then it will do the work trained properly . i do not try to male the dog what it is not by depriving it or isolating it .. as a matter of fact if you understood the GSD ..if it has gueard and ptrotect innate instinct/ability when a dog is raised with you or in your home it becomes a better protector, it works better !! you people have lost . direction ! and another thing .. my personal protection dog who recently died, show line , a jeck noricum and lasso neuenberg grandson , played in apck with 8 of my nother GSDs . he also doid Sch and french ring sport ... playing with the other canines ... DID NOT reduce his motivations/drives or his ability to work .. it is all how you breed and train . -- please you people .. and mostly Sch -- at times i realy don't think you know what in the world you arte talking about .. foolish minds and foolish tunnel vision built on guru mehtodologies

I am with Get A Real Dog on this one. Any puppy we are developing must feel that he is the "master of the world" and undefeatable. He cannot adopt this attitude if he is ever dominated by another dog, even once. That said, I do allow careful play between certain dogs of mine, but I always want them to see me as "Mr. Fun Guy" so I want to continue their bond with me-not with their kennel mates. Mine stay in the house together with us and there is usually no foul behaviour; it's just when it's playtime I have to be careful who can play with who. They are dogs, they are pack animals. They must be comfortable living around other dogs and unmistakedly see us as their pack leaders. That goes for the whole pack, or the individual. Bob-O

Dogs in the sport need to be socialized and learn how to deal with other dogs, on a very limited basis. Dogs are still pack animals and if given the opportunity will pack with their own species first. This isn't that hard of a concept unless you let anthropomorphism get in the way of your common sense.

This thread is somewhat confusing to me. Some here are advocating keeping dogs separate from other dogs to get the most out of them, such as 'complete focus on owner', etc. Yes? Or, am I also incorporating the responses from the other thread 'raising a schutzhund pup as a pet' in my observation? For now, forget about discussing how this is done, whether it be isolation, kenneling, etc. Also, forget about discussing pups being dominated having a negative effect later on. IMO, yes---but, put this topic on the back burner, also---at least for now. My focus---Is separation really necessary to build drive and ensure complete focus from your dog? Many must believe this---why else sound so 100% SURE. Personally, my experience has been somewhat different--so, of course, I question. My guys are spoiled, (cushy), house-dogs. I'm not concerned with schutzhund ideals here, but basic behavioral tendencies. Spook has stated if given the opportunity, dogs will pack with their own species first. Well, I only wish this was the case with my guys. Sometimes, anyway. Each prefer interraction with me, rather than to one another. Actually, I continually try to diminish my young one's need to play (work). It can be exhausting. His nature or drives, (I know most just love that word), will never be diminished----it's in his blood. Throwing anthropomorphic characteristics into the mix will always be a given with some---guilty of that, myself. I'm out in the fields every day. Other people come with their dogs---mostly pet, but, occassionally, some working dogs also appear. Most of these dogs run off and play with the other dogs. Some just investigate, and go off exploring on their own. Mine could care less--even, get angry (sorry, anthrop.) when I converse with an owner. Balls and sticks are dropped at my feet, and barking that would rival that of any schutzhund top competitor is the norm. I guess from my experiences, I see that dogs being together does nothing to diminish drives. If the drives are there, dogs will separate themselves and work full throttle, every time. The other areas of discussion that I shoved off to the back burner are subject to personal decision, IMO. I say this because those decisions are usually ones that I would say are absolute. You either CAN or CANNOT isolate a dog.

ALphapup Please enlighten us to the "correrct way". It is one thing to come on here and give an opinion, and another to come on here and tear everyone a new ace. I don't mind the fact that you have an opinion, but you never back it up with what you believe. You tear everyone down, yet don't lay your thoughts and methods out for all of us to do the same. PLEASE tell us the "correct way", because we have been waiting for the second coming for quite some time. 12 dogs? Can we assume these are your APOSTLES? Where do you find the time to even groom all of these perfectly raised canines? Hell(oops), I barely have enough time to track, play, do obedience, and go to the club with only a few dogs. I guess when you are so good, it only takes you 5 to 10 minutes to age and run a FH2 track. Alpha What do you care whether someone doesn't allow their dog to constantly mix into a pack? I bet most of these people let their dogs together for portions of the day, but their not goin to be that old fart,dog guy with 10+ dogs stinking up their property and home. My dogs probably dump 2-3 times a day. Who wants 36 piles of crap in their front yard every day? I hope you have a staff. You need to lay off the people and just give your opinion. Do you think that the people on this board are going to think that you are more knowledgable because you are confrontational? By the way, Do you have to use the word ARCHAIC in every post? The only thing archaic is your "40 year" GSD watching, ignorance. How can you rip on someones breeding because they keep their dogs separate? No need to respond! I already know what you would say. You are the ALPHA! BETAPUP

"12 dogs? Can we assume these are your APOSTLES?" LMAO! You said exactly what I was thinking Don.