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by Koots on 26 September 2017 - 17:09
What is a "Select Shepherd"? People with 'similar lines' does not a direct comparable make.
by duke1965 on 26 September 2017 - 18:09
the name alone shows its a sales pitch LOL
and "the military ",
please explain what military has a succesfull breedingprogram and produces top material because of this ....thing....
by Baerenfangs Erbe on 26 September 2017 - 19:09
@Smiley, I've done my research on all of this. I've read every single article out there you can find on this "program". There are so many different "puppy programs" out there it's not even funny.
The matter of the fact is, that it was created for litters that are primarily born in a sterile environment without the usual exposure your regular working dog litters get.
There is a difference between a litter born into a family and a litter born in a kennel. There is a difference between litters that you let sit, and litters that do get early exposure. That being said, nothing, absolutely nothing, beats genetic confidence! And yes, genetic confidence does exist!
The matter of the fact is, that it was created for litters that are primarily born in a sterile environment without the usual exposure your regular working dog litters get.
There is a difference between a litter born into a family and a litter born in a kennel. There is a difference between litters that you let sit, and litters that do get early exposure. That being said, nothing, absolutely nothing, beats genetic confidence! And yes, genetic confidence does exist!
by Smiley on 27 September 2017 - 12:09
Baer...Have you ever actually tried the program? I am just curious if you have actually tried it and found it wasn't effective or you just read articles and determined it wasn't effective. I didn't see you mention anywhere that you had tried the program before? I think I will try it with my upcoming litter and see if I note any differences.....It doesn't sound like too many people have actually tried the program. I figure that it couldn't hurt to add it to my regular handling, etc!
by JillSue on 27 September 2017 - 12:09
This program was suggested to me about 8 years ago by a couple of SS guys. They were picking out pups to train for detection. I figured that it wouldn't hurt to try and just add it to what I already did with my litters. Does it help........doesn't hurt...if done right. My pups got a great deal of "hands on" anyway....... These men did mention that my pups ....had really been handled. Try it and see if you see any change.......I have the feeling that you already handle your pups from the start.......and that's a good thing:)
by aaykay on 27 September 2017 - 13:09
I personally tried the program, and the pups turned out great. Strong nerves, strong fight and natural aggression and none of them would back down from a challenge. The genetics that resulted in the pups were also top-notch, and that by itself may have been contributing factors on how they turned out. Of course I did not have a control group to compare against, to prove or disprove the efficacy of the program as such. But the program certainly did not hurt !
Bottomline, once you eliminate catchy terms like the "superdog program" etc., what it boils down to, is introducing a small and controlled amount of stress to the very, very young pups, which in turn is expected to trigger internal responses to counter the stress. This results in rapid development (since the controlled stress was applied onto forming brains) and also a concurrent ability to not be fazed easily by normal stressful conditions, as they develop into adulthood. The flipside is that when the program is executed without full awareness, and the applied stress exceeds what the pups can counter at that age, there is the potential for the pups to get ruined (the exact reverse of what the program sets out to do).
PS: Any kind of building up of a dog, requires a certain amount of pressure (stress) to be applied, calibrated to the capabilities of the pup/dog. And over time, the pressure is progressively raised, which leads ultimately to the forming of a strong dog. The bio-sensor program simply starts doing the same, from a very, very young age, where seemingly the efficacy is the highest.
PS2: There were some statements about handling the pups etc. before/during and after they get weaned. Such handling is certainly the introduction of a type of "stress". And without doubt such handling (addition of the controlled stress) is contributing to the development of the pups, in a manner that is roughly aligned to what the "superdog" program sets out to do.
JMHO of course.
Bottomline, once you eliminate catchy terms like the "superdog program" etc., what it boils down to, is introducing a small and controlled amount of stress to the very, very young pups, which in turn is expected to trigger internal responses to counter the stress. This results in rapid development (since the controlled stress was applied onto forming brains) and also a concurrent ability to not be fazed easily by normal stressful conditions, as they develop into adulthood. The flipside is that when the program is executed without full awareness, and the applied stress exceeds what the pups can counter at that age, there is the potential for the pups to get ruined (the exact reverse of what the program sets out to do).
PS: Any kind of building up of a dog, requires a certain amount of pressure (stress) to be applied, calibrated to the capabilities of the pup/dog. And over time, the pressure is progressively raised, which leads ultimately to the forming of a strong dog. The bio-sensor program simply starts doing the same, from a very, very young age, where seemingly the efficacy is the highest.
PS2: There were some statements about handling the pups etc. before/during and after they get weaned. Such handling is certainly the introduction of a type of "stress". And without doubt such handling (addition of the controlled stress) is contributing to the development of the pups, in a manner that is roughly aligned to what the "superdog" program sets out to do.
JMHO of course.
by COGSD on 28 September 2017 - 13:09
Thanks for the input everyone! I appreciate hearing about the research and the personal experience.
by ZweiGSD on 29 September 2017 - 15:09
This is an excerpt from an article in the Whole Dog Journal about raising puppies:
Never Too Early
Many breeders enthusiastically recommend a program of early neurological stimulation based on the “Bio Sensor” or “Super Dog” program developed by the United States military in the 1970s. (There are differing opinions about the success of the military program, and even who came up with the guidelines, but nonetheless, many breeders swear by them.) Daily from the ages of 3 to 16 days, puppies are exposed to these five exercises for three to five seconds each. All the exercises are intended to safely and briefly expose the puppy to a period of physical stress from which he can easily recover.
- Holding the puppy in one hand, the handler gently tickles between the pup’s toes with a cotton-tipped swab.
- Grasping the puppy with both hands, the handler holds the puppy perpendicular to the ground (that is, with his head held upward, directly above his tail).
- Again holding the puppy with both hands, the handler holds the puppy upside down, with his head pointing toward the ground.
- The handler holds the puppy on his back in the palm of both hands, so he is permitted to sleep.
- Finally, the handler puts the puppy, feet down, on a damp towel that has been refrigerated for at least five minutes, but does not restrain the puppy from moving.
- Breeders who do this early neurological stimulation say their puppies are better adjusted, with greater stress tolerance and reduced frustration levels when confronted with obstacles.
“I have seen unbelievable results with it,” Hastings adds. “I probably know 40 breeders who have done it to half their litter to see what the difference was – and the difference was mind-boggling.”
- Hastings points to her own breed, the Doberman Pinscher, as an example. “Dobes are working dogs, but they don’t work in bad weather – they don’t do cold or rain,” she laughs. “But I have never seen a Dobe puppy whose breeder did early stimulation that had any issue with weather.”
- Hastings stresses, however, that breeders should not go overboard. “Too much stress can have a negative effect,” she warns. If breeders embark on early neurological stimulation, it should be done only once a day, and no longer than the three to five seconds recommended.
Never Too Early
Many breeders enthusiastically recommend a program of early neurological stimulation based on the “Bio Sensor” or “Super Dog” program developed by the United States military in the 1970s. (There are differing opinions about the success of the military program, and even who came up with the guidelines, but nonetheless, many breeders swear by them.) Daily from the ages of 3 to 16 days, puppies are exposed to these five exercises for three to five seconds each. All the exercises are intended to safely and briefly expose the puppy to a period of physical stress from which he can easily recover.
- Holding the puppy in one hand, the handler gently tickles between the pup’s toes with a cotton-tipped swab.
- Grasping the puppy with both hands, the handler holds the puppy perpendicular to the ground (that is, with his head held upward, directly above his tail).
- Again holding the puppy with both hands, the handler holds the puppy upside down, with his head pointing toward the ground.
- The handler holds the puppy on his back in the palm of both hands, so he is permitted to sleep.
- Finally, the handler puts the puppy, feet down, on a damp towel that has been refrigerated for at least five minutes, but does not restrain the puppy from moving.
- Breeders who do this early neurological stimulation say their puppies are better adjusted, with greater stress tolerance and reduced frustration levels when confronted with obstacles.
“I have seen unbelievable results with it,” Hastings adds. “I probably know 40 breeders who have done it to half their litter to see what the difference was – and the difference was mind-boggling.”
- Hastings points to her own breed, the Doberman Pinscher, as an example. “Dobes are working dogs, but they don’t work in bad weather – they don’t do cold or rain,” she laughs. “But I have never seen a Dobe puppy whose breeder did early stimulation that had any issue with weather.”
- Hastings stresses, however, that breeders should not go overboard. “Too much stress can have a negative effect,” she warns. If breeders embark on early neurological stimulation, it should be done only once a day, and no longer than the three to five seconds recommended.
by Smiley on 29 September 2017 - 17:09
Thank you.....appreciate the additional information!
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