Opinions on this breeding? - Page 2

The breeding in question is a 5-5 linebreeding...

Only one Kennel? Come on, you know that's not true. There are plenty of Kennels in the US that adhere to USCA Standard. They are all listed on the USCA Website too.

I'm not talking about USCA standard, I'm talking about the dogs that are actively being bred in large enough numbers to make linebreeding/backmassing in a few years an actual problem.

According to AKC, the dam's correct name is Lila Von Der Bo Deb. I corrected that and also added her information from the OFA website.

It's not only the 5-5 you examine but what about the linebreeding on the dogs within the dogs that lead up to the 5-5. True breeders would be concerned with that also, pseudo breeders that have only bred on Internet probably not.

Wouldn't have to be concerned about what's 10 generations back to help you sell a litter if you'd actually accomplish something with the first generation, but "true breeders" don't care much about that, it's clearly not the way to run a successful breeding program. Paper and pedigree has proven to be more important time and time again.

I'm not talking about ten generations back, I'm talking about the linebreeding in the dogs in the second, third , and fourth generation, of a 5-5 pedigree. These dogs are very close up in the dogs genetic makeup and have an important effect on the makeup of the dog. But that is just my opinion, I will not question the knowledge of top sport folks. That kind of analysis is not as important today, I know I was never a true breeder and never understood why so many folks sought my counsel.( to include top sport competitors, Nationals winners, and USCA judges. )
I'm out of this discussion 🙂.

IT's both, the dog and the pedigree. You've got to look at the dog and whats behind the dog.


My black male, Dolf is the best example. He is a super super super dog. Healthy as a horse but his pedigree is rather extreme when it comes to Yoschi and Fero that you have to be very careful how you use him in my opinion because you can breed yourself into a corner with him.

Thank you everyone for your responses! This thread has given me a lot to think about, and this site is turning out to be an awesome resource for people like me who are just getting started. (Some people collect stamps, cars, ect. What do I do? Dogs. I'm pretty sure dogs are more expensive than cars.)

From what I understand Sharon has very good drives and is a very solid dog, and I'm going to see if I can see anything about him in action. Mother is a little more of an unknown, but I'm going to see if I can find out more about her. I have seen pictures and conformation wise she is very much in the line of what I am looking for, but I am curious to learn more about her temperment. The mention of back problems is a concern to me though. Yes, I do want a competition dog and I want to make the right decision, but it is more important to me for the dog to be sound and healthy even if he/she doesn't turn out for working. Mother has had one litter last year, and I am going to try to get in contact with some of the dog owners from that breeding to see what I can learn about what she produces, even if it was with a different male and then make the decision from there whether I want to take the chance on this litter, go with a different litter, or look at some other opportunities. I still have quite a bit of time before the litter whelps so there is no hurry to make a decision right this second.

You stated the female has had one litter.

How experience with whelping litters and raising puppies is the dam's owner? The experience of the owner of the dam is as important as the dogs themselves.

You can take the best bred, best temperament pair of dogs, and put the dam in the hands of a very inexperienced individual, and end up with a mess.

Things like overfeeding the puppies, raising them in a swimming pool, not getting them weaned properly, ...etc. Lots goes into a litter and how they are raised makes or breaks them.