Are there too many dogs being bred? - Page 2

I don't classify breeders as good and bad, by the amount of money they make or don't make. I happen to think that if you're a good breeder, you'll make a few bucks, you'll need to to keep breeding. and if your dogs are good enough, they'll demand a premium price, just like anything else. Good Dr's don't give away free service for the good of mankind, good athletes don't give away their services either for the love of the game. A good breeder shouldn't feel bad about making some money on the dogs they breed. Not every breeder is a hobby breeder, and not every hobby breeder is an excellent breeder. Blanket staments kind of suck and are not very applicable.

If you want to earn a living breeding dogs only, you need to breed a lot of litters. How the resulting puppies are handled and how the breeding stock is selected is what separates the responsible breeders from those who are only in it for the money.

P59teitel, Exactly what makes kennels like vom Kirschental, von der Pelztierfarm, von Karthago, vom Busecker Schloss and vom Wildsteiger Land so great in the breed? I do not know the well known workingline kennels in Germany so I cant question on the fallowing kennels “ von der Pelztierfarm, von Karthago, vom Busecker Schloss” but what makes them so great? Because they breed their bitches on every heat cycle? I personally would avoid getting any dogs from vom Wildsteiger Land bloodlines because I personally do not agree to what the breeder did to Jantie and his dog Indy (he came from vom Wildsteiger Land kennels) that had to be put to sleep due to severe HD. According to Jantie his full litter mate, ICE was also put down for the same reason.. The breeder left this poor man and his daughter out into the cold without getting another replacement as far as I know of. You may read Janties posts at: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/15427.html So tell me P59T is vom Wildsteiger Land kennels still a good kennel after screwing Jantie and his daughter out of a “breeding / show dog?” They had their dreams of entering into shows and schutzhund.. That dream is now shattered because of a man who breeds to much and wont even take any responsibility?

Evidentally the SV discourages earning a living breeding GSD's. Why else would they limit each of their members to 10 litters per year? Given all the expenses involved in breeding GSD's to conform to the SV rules, I doubt that many breeders could live much above the poverty level with the money earned from 10 litters per year.

by the way go to http://jantie.demeyere.googlepages.com/ and download the Indiana vom Wildsteiger Land - Slideshow (20 Minutes) file.

outstanding kennels like vom Kirschental, von der Pelztierfarm, von Karthago, vom Busecker Schloss and vom Wildsteiger Land, to name a few. in the land of the blind is one eye king

"Exactly what makes kennels like vom Kirschental, von der Pelztierfarm, von Karthago, vom Busecker Schloss and vom Wildsteiger Land so great in the breed?" Hmm...let's see. Breeding VA dogs, breeding HGH champions, breeding BSP and WUSV winners sorta kinda tells me a kennel is "great in the breed," especially when their histories show multiple such successes over several decades. But if that's not enough for you, spend a couple of days randomly checking pedigrees on this site and see how many times dogs from these kennels appear. For that matter, just check out your Zambi and Jake's pedigrees: both are linebred on Uran vom Wildsteiger Land, and both also go back to Kirschental, Busecker Schloss and Pelztierfarm dogs. So you can thank those kennels for your dogs being what they are. "That dream is now shattered because of a man who breeds to much and wont even take any responsibility?" Brittany, there's a helluva lot more going on with the whole Indiana vom Wildsteiger Land thing than has ever been discussed here or anywhere else on the internet. These issues were disclosed to me confidentially by a third party very familiar with the situation, and I will not repeat them here. But I will say this: although only one side "went public" with his claim there are in fact two sides to this story, and, knowing what I do know, I would not hesitate to purchase a pup from vom Wildsteiger Land.

"I doubt that many breeders could live much above the poverty level with the money earned from 10 litters per year." True enough as far as it goes, especially with the prices the German breeders typically charge for pups. But don't forget the money the breeder earns when a quality adult dog is sold...and if it's a World Sieger or VA dog, the payback isn't too shabby at all.

True enough that the sale of a topnotch adult dog can add substantially to the bottom line. Still I have to think that the SV does not intend for GSD breeders to rely soley on the sale of puppies and dogs to make a living. I could be wrong.

BTW, Brittany, P59teitle is correct about that dog bred by Wildsteiger Land. I would not hesitate to buy a dog from this breeder either.