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by EchoMeadows on 12 March 2007 - 18:03
ok am trying to get this strait in my head...
She was spayed accidently while in foster care, Who put her in the foster care ??
If it was the breeder well then his/her mistake.
If it was you well then maybe the breeder is upset because they wanted a pup too ??
you said you were to get a pup from a planned breeding but she did not come into heat, then you said you have no intention of breeding her anyway ??
I don't understand this mix of words you have posted.
Anyway bottom line in my opinion (not that it's worth much) the dog is worth what "someone" will pay for it be it you or another party.
Hope that did not come off as harsh, that is not the intent.
by triodegirl on 12 March 2007 - 18:03
And I was told I was nuts when I paid $1500 for my female.

by Dog1 on 12 March 2007 - 18:03
The fishy part is a dog accidentally being spayed. I guess mistakes do happen....I'm trying to envision this one.
Hi Mabel, here's my breeding female I would like for you to keep her for a year until I can breed her. She's not titled and surveyed. I have a guy that wants a pup from her and is willing to pay 2,500 for a pup. Just hold her for a year and let me know when she comes in heat so I can breed her.
12 months go by and it's time for the dog to come back.....
John, I know it's been a year and you were wanting me to hold this female for some reason. I wasn't real sure what you wanted to do with her so I took her into the vets to be groomed. While we were there they were having a special on spay and neuter. One free with every bath, so I went ahead and got her spayed. Hope that was OK.
Or
Did she have temperament issues, health issues, or a multitude of other conditions that would warrant someone not wanting to breed her?
It's fishy. I would meet her in person and see what you thought of her before I did anything.
by CanaBoo on 12 March 2007 - 18:03
Wow. That's about all I can say.
The way I understand it is, with training, time and care, the price of a pup goes up. If she is worth it to you, pay the money. I have to fully agree with everything D.H. has to say.
If you honestly don't have the money, speak with the breeder about it, knowing that the pup is going to a home that is going to give her love and excellent care might prove to help your case.
I have a friend who's son has a service dog, and she is amazing (and spayed). She is worth SO much to my friends family...more than any amount of money paid for her originally. Seems to me if you don't want her because of the price, this pup could be excellent in the service industry and worth that much plus to someone else.
If you want her, talk to the owner. If the owner can not go down, you have a choice to make. You have to remember this pup has had to have shots, care, feeding, time, and possibly has had training. I know I'm very new here, and to high pedigree dogs, but I have learned a lot in my short experience purchasing our little girl (for a family pet/protector) and possibly would have been easier for our wonderfully kind breeder to deal with. LOL
"She is what she is"...not sure how to take that statment, as if she is worth less as a dog because she has been spayed when you were intending to get her spayed anyway.
I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to understand your point.

by VomFelsenHof on 12 March 2007 - 19:03
One thing to note is that when you buy a puppy, you get to train that pup up to what you want it to be. It is used to YOUR rules, YOUR household, etc.
Buying an adult spayed female who has been "accidentally" spayed (how the heck--took her in for a progesterone test and the vet grabbed the wrong dog from the cage and spayed her? If an "accident" on the part of the VET, then a liability suit would ensue, and the vet would have paid the cost of the dog.) If an OOOPS on the part of the "foster parent" of the dog, I would assume you'd see the same situation, only with liability on the part of the foster parent? Or, who knows what "accidentally spayed" means, and "Caveat emptor" (BUYER BEWARE).
If you have ever seen someone who had a litter of pups, the pups get older and have NOT BEEN TRAINED, the price goes down significantly. If the dog HAS BEEN TRAINED, then the price goes up.
I sold a 2 year old showline female (who had been spayed) that had her AD, BH and ready for SchH1 for $1000. I lost money on that one, but that is the price that I thought was fair and reasonable for the dog. Many times, a breeder will buy an import dog (for say $2000, plus another $1000 total for shipping, registration, etc.), wanting to get a litter out of that dog, which does not materialize and ends in a spay (whatever reason) They often want to get out of the dog what they have into it, and thus, the seemingly higher price for a dog that can no longer be utilized for its original purpose.
ONLY YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT IS FAIR TO PAY FOR A DOG.
by roborob on 13 March 2007 - 10:03
OK, I've read what you all have to say about this female that was accidently spayed that we were supposed to get a puppy from...As far as how she was accidently spayed, thats still a mystery to me as well...We did speak with the breeder in person when we went to see the dog and it was then that she told us of her concerns...The dog never came into heat so she thought that while she had been with her "foster" people that they might have spayed her...I know it sounds a little strange but that is what she told us...
We were waiting for her to come into heat so she could be bred to one of the breeders selected males, that "future breeding" is still on the breeders website...We would have taken one of her puppies and yes probably had her spayed sometime later as we are not breeders but plain old simple GSD people who were looking to get a quality dog...
Puppies are going anywhere from $1800-2500 depending on pick or showline vs companion dog, there was no way we would get pick or going to show...
Some of you do come across as hard and arrogant, thanks for the comments but keep your personalities to yourself thank you very much...A simple question and some of you can't wait to jump dowm my throat or be condescending, OK so you know more, I would hope so...I'm just trying to do the right thing here and not get ripped off, this reminds me of the crap over at GS world, a place I probably will never post at again...I can only give you the facts as I know them and I also felt that there might be more to this than what I have been told...All the more reason to run this by some of you who know a lot more than I do but still no reason to look down at me about this...Everything I know is from a reputable breeder just like most of you, thought maybe since some of you "speak the language" maybe you could be of some help...
I know what I'm going to do, really knew all a long but wanted the opinions of some of you who seem to make sense most of the time...I will buy the female, as I knew I would from the first meeting with her, I will try to not pay the $2500 the breeder is asking but will pay whatever it is I have to as she is not only a great dog with a terrific pedigree but like some of you pointed out, she does have value in more ways than one...I knew that all along but did think the price was a little high...I will counter with an offer of $1500 and go from there...
Once this is all said and done I will give you the link to the breeders site and then you can see her for yourselves...Between then and now I will attempt to get more information from the breeder about exactly what really did happen and why she was "accidently" spayed...
Thanks for your thoughts on this mystery...
Rob

by Sue-Ann on 13 March 2007 - 10:03
A spayed female has very little value. Without titles she is worth $400.
by roborob on 13 March 2007 - 10:03
Yikes, that hurts...
by roborob on 13 March 2007 - 11:03
Yikes, that hurts...

by BabyEagle4U on 13 March 2007 - 13:03
I agree with Sue-Ann... the dog just needs a family.
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