New videos of Becky, Basic Obedience homework - Page 2

I am not sold on just emotional rewarding. I do not feel it is enough of a reinforcer for the dog, but continue if you all feel it works for Becky.

It won't work to motivate some dogs but it works well for others.

Blitz you have not comprehended the purpose of food rewards in training if you think it is a bribe. Is a ball or tug also a bribe? Do you use either?

Well, I've only been training dogs  since 1970, vk, so maybe I still have a lot to learn. No, I don't use a ball or a tug.  However, I've only had showlines and they have seemed to have a inborn sense of obedience and willingness to work with me without food or other physical rewards. Why would I need to use food or toys when they always pay attention and happily get it right without? All I need to do is say good boy or girl and give my dog a pat on their side when the exercise is complete.  Why spoil that by training with food or toys if they don't need it? It's not broken, so I'm not going to fix it.

........I guess it depends what you expect in a performance standard. That's why I asked if you accept the standard shown in Becky's clip in your own dogs, but I guess you already answered with "nice work".

 

each to his own, a dog only has to satisfy the owners needs and that is individual preference. Personally I like a more animated dog, no good reason, I just think it looks cool and dogs, mine at least, seem to get a serotonin buzz from the work.....different strokes.

 

 

interesting that you find the show lines to have an inbuilt willingness to work, I will have to pay them more attention, I don't want to miss where the good working dogs are coming from. Might even scope out the next conformation show to find the good working line show lines...wait, what did I just say?? Oh well think of the money I will save on food bribes trying to get my dogs to do anything.

What makes you think a dog won't be animated or perform at a higher level if it isn't given food rewards?  I show at AKC shows, vk, where crowding the handler is a substantial deduction, so any dog that wraps itself around the handler is going to cost points and if the dog leans hard enough to influence the line of travel, it may not qualify at all.  I've seen dogs so close to the handler that they have tripped that handler. At one of our trials, the handler actually fell to his knees. Not a novice handler either. I am a 5 foot tall woman who can't allow a big GSD to lean on her looking for rewards when trialing. It took a few days to break my current SL of that after she got her BH and before her CD and I don't want to deal with it again. All that aside, the AKC rules essentially say the dog shouldn't crowd the handler, so it's a matter or conforming to those rules when in the OB ring.

If you get to some trials/shows, don't be so concerned about pedigrees or bloodlines. Instead look at the dog and evaluate it's performance.

 

don't know why you are focusing on food rewards and crowding?? Not anything i would suggest anyone do.

vk, I try to title my dogs in AKC OB. There are specific rules that need to be followed and a specific number of points must be earned in order for a dog to earn a "leg". It takes 3 legs earned under 2 different judges. The dog must earn at least 170 points out of 200 and can't have failed any exercise. Crowding is a bad habit for an AKC OB dog. It loses the dog points and can get the dog a DQ if it's bad enough. I don't pay an entry fee just to messs around with my dogs. I want them to earn points and titles.

Sure there are a lot of other things a dog can lose points for, but in my experience crowding seems to me to be the worst habit that is created by feeding dogs food or putting toys under one's arm while training. Now if I were only going to go for BH's  I really wouldn't care if my dog crowded me and I might use food. However, I want more than that, a dog that can be competive in AKC OB too, so I am stressing crowding as the result of food rewards. That has been my experience in the AKC OB ring.

My current dog was so dependent on food rewards when I got her as an adult that I had a very diffcult time teaching her to pay attention when my pocket was empty. Her former owners used food for the conformation ring and I did not care about taking her back in the conformation ring ever again. So I had to find a better way to keep her focused and found that it only took verbal praise. She was a happy worker and every judge commented on her performance. In fact I stopped using food rewards many years ago because I liked to show in AKC OB. I'm sure many others have done as well or better with their GSD's using food, but it just didn't work out well for me and if I ever get another GSD I will not be using food to train it.

 

Blitzen, vk4gsd, I'm just in the dog training for about 2 and half years, but I believe each dog needs us to adjust the training to him as well as he has to adapt to the trainer/training...

With Isa and Becky the emotional reward works great, bad example in the clips above because has I said Becky was sulking because of the thug, and a verbal corrective when they are not behaving or not obeying but with Mic, my other mut, this training simply does not work...

He does not have the nerves to deal with the corrective (he was a rescue and after a year living well with me he still is very fearfully dog) and the verbal/emotional reward is not enough, he is still having troubles bonding with me or Flávio, he is amazing with the girls allays playing especially with Becky (Isa is to badass to have those real totally crazy playing sessions) but with us he is still very sensitive and if we are even a bit irritated or frustrated with some thing on our lives he become extremely fearful and tries to avoid us. I got him to do the very very basic OB using food and ignoring when he was misbehaving, but I can't get him to evolve anymore... He just freeze when he is scared and does move a muscle, not with food not with playing (he is just now starting to lear what a toy is he didn't even play with toys before and today I can make him play with me using those color full rope bones and that is it...)

I do believe the training with food is buying the dog, but that is my opinion...

hntrjmpr434 I think I knew that, but the curiosity is wining the battle =P when Isa is with long air she looks like a poodle with a Shitzu fur (the fur can be really long and extremely soft), but when he groom her she has characteristic of soooo many dogs...
this time he trimmed her ears and turns out she has the terrier triangular shaped ears! The body is so similar to the Portuguese podengo, but she has really develop muscle in the back legs and chest but she was really a lot exercised her hole life, she started training when she was 4 months old and never stopped, so her built up muscle can be from that...
Her personality does not help figuring this out... With Flávio she is super sweet, and with me sometimes, love to cudle with him and loves sleep with us. Hates strangers, does not let then touch her, and have a dominant but insecure posture relating other dogs, she was ALLWAYS like that... She was only a month when we got her, she was still being bottle fed, but 1º time we saw her she when to the other dogs food bowl, seats on it and starts to growl at everyone... she was only a month! (this personality was the reason we started in the training worl)
She can be really sweet, but she thinks she owns the world... Becky always have scar on her face because of Isa's bites... she is only 9 kg...