dog nock helper down in the long send - Page 2

Brittany, shut up! Every time you open you're mouth you sound more ignorant. There is not enough on that film for anyone to tell what happened. Any trial helper that tells you he hasn't been fooled by a dog is a liar or has only caught poodles. I'm really surprised by Molly who should know that. Animules I don't know you and what experience you've had and we all know Brittany is a moron. zdog, thank you for your intelligence and common sense. One of the hardest hitting dogs in the country, many years ago, was a show dog named Rambo. Yes, a show dog! If you made you move just a split second early the dog would cream you. He took delight in destoying helpers. I saw him take down a number of them straight up the middle. He knocked the wind out of me and put my fat ass on the ground more than once. He was not a dog for the inexperienced or faint of heart. If you think this is isolated to a couple of dogs your crazy. It isn't as prevalent as it used to be, but there are still a few of them left. There is nothing sweeter than a dog that actually drives through the sleeve instead of just going along for the ride.

I can only comment on what I saw in the one video, and that was of a helper who caught a dog in a way that could have injured the dog or even crippled him. Terrible helperwork. Terrible helper? I don't know - maybe he is great except for that one catch. But from the one video, anyone with two eyeballs can tell they wouldn't want that to be their dog caught by that helper at that moment. Bad moment from a good helper - maybe - but can't tell that from this video. Don't have to be a helper to know good (or bad) helperwork when you see it, if you have experience in the sport. molly

Here is the same dog (I'm told) at the WUSV - he came in the same way, so obviously something the dog has - this helper was able to catch him without too much of a problem - http://www.mohnwiese-team.de/BSP2006/TysonSBSP06C.wmv

The second video of Tyson is the 2006 BSP. This dog obviously likes to make body contact. All the video I have seen of him including these two, show him striking the help with his front feet & body. Sucks for the first helper but I do not blame him for the way the dog was caught. Anyone who has never had a dog drill them feet first in the nads really should not make harsh opinions of this collision!!!! I really like this dog Tyson... Best Regards, Dennis Johnson www.johnsonhaus.com

And Molly I can show you two more where he downed the helper...so what. I guess you can't really appreciate it unless you have a dog that hits like a freight train or have caught one that hits like a freight train. 'anyone with two eyeballs can tell they wouldn't want that to be their dog caught by that helper at that moment.' What an observation, Captain Obvious.

I too don't blame the helper. If anything I thought the helper did a good job of making the best out of a bad stiuation. if you watch the video the helper when he realized he was in trouble he jumped to obsurbe the bad catch and the dogs hit him low (about below the knees) causing him to fall. if the helper would not have done this it would have been alot worse. you can tell that the helper is more than good enough for trial work just by the rest of his work (his drives). the dog appeared to be a very nice dog and very hard to catch.

Maybe someone can please explain to the inexperienced (myself) how a dog should be caught in a trial? Eric

Like the first video Eric Dewalt. Although the dog took the helper down it was a great catch on a fast dog with good drives and stick hits.. Very nice Dasti son. Best Regards, Dennis Johnson www.johnsonhaus.com

Dennis Thanks, I understand.... But can someone break it down and describe a proper, safe trial catch? Thanks Eric

Anyone who has put on the sleeve for any amount of time has had days like this! For me, as a training helper, I don't see a need to do long bites on a regular basis with an experienced dog. 20 yards at the most to maintain timing and minimize risk of injury. DeWalt, a safe long bite catch is one in which the forward force of the dog is absorbed by the helper. The helper does this by spinning either stick side or sleeve side once the dog is on the sleeve. I have been taught/trained that the dog determines the direction. Complications and accidents arise when the dog comes dead center or you try to steer the dog to one side. Just like in tennis some people prefer to hit forhand and run around the backhand. Helpers also have a preffered side they like to catch on. Once the dog is caught the dog should be placed back down on the ground as safe and fast as possible. I hate seeing a catch where the dogs tail end is above the helpers shoulders. It looks exciting but the helpers elbow was up on the catch. The dog now has a longway to get back down on to the ground (safety). Long catches are all about timing. Dogs that come dead center forces the helper to get his body out of the way. This allows the dogs body to continue on its path without impact. Helpers have to be fast on their feet and develope skills to decrease reaction times. This can only occur with practice. Which means more people need to allow helpers to develope their skills. Which means the new helpers need dogs to train and practice. I hope this helped DeWalt. Kyle