DDR and Czech lines NOT the same - Page 2

For those of you with the smart aleck replies I will enlighten you. Why not admit you just don't know. That would explain why every working dog advertized is call a DDR/Czech Bloodline. The Czechoslovakian Army’s Pohranicni Straze (Border Patrol) breeding seem to have overtaken all of Europe on number of puppies produced. Brief History: 1.GSD's start in Germany, spread throughout Europe. 2. World War II: Separation of East/West Germany. East Germany stays with the dark working type herding dogs. Have harsh breeding program gets rid of inferior pups. Breeds hard working type dogs. 3. Czech Army Border Patrol under communist control begins breeding their own dogs in I believe it was three kennels (Pohranicni Straze)and develop their own distinctive traits. See radiantz remarks... 4. Meanwhile West Germany moves to a more showy dog that has evolved to what we know today as the Seiger Line. American soldiers brought home GSD's after the War and hence begin the American AKC line. But you still had and have many West German Working lines in existence although that number continues to shrink. This is a readers digest version but I am not going to sit here and type a complete history,Look it up yourselves... Final point is I think people are using these terms at will and don't research where their lines actually came from. I know some do but many don't.

Radiantz post# I have heard that if you look at the Czech Shepherds ancestory you could find some Mal in them. Maybe that explains the sharper, less bone, more hyper, extremely hard and not as good conformation. What do you all think? I don't know about the Mal but Yes to the traits you mentioned. I see alot of Czech dogs at the Texas Border checkpoints and they are smaller,very drivey,average conformation and most are sables and some bi-colors. They all seem to have very solid nerves.

DR - The Mal part would make sense. What is your opinion on that type of "Cross-breeding" now-a-days?

Myself I would never do it. My expereince with Mals is that they can be really good but they also have alot of nerve problems popping up. Do you know anyone who has tried crossing with a mal?

Yes, unfortunatly! :-( (NOT ME!!!!) The so called breeder that I continue to try and get get info on with this board is doing it now! But she has these cross-bred dogs and is selling them as GSD to unsuspected people without telling them it's a cross! IMO, that very dangerious!!! If you would like, we could continue this convers., priv. via email! :-) ladywolf45169@yahoo.com

LOl Glad it's not you... Will email you..

Thank you DR for the very thorough explanation.. I always surmised but never had an absolute clarification of the differences. It all makes sense. Good Job.

Also, remember the Czech dabbled in crossing the czech dog with wolves. This is documented. Look at the older czech lines and you will see SOME that seem to reflect the mixture. Especially in pigment color and head type. With the influx of the DDR dogs you started seeing the type of Czech head we see today. Also, the older Czech lines had a higher degree of sharpness than today's czech lines.Again, a small influx of wolf would add this.

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I have heard that did dabble with the wolves alittle. You are correct in that the DDR lines have influenced what we see today. I have mentioned before though that on the Texas Border many of the border patrol dogs are the original style, smaller, litter and very high drive.