Wich lines for servicework? - Page 2

Jennie, I do think you are on to something but there are enough exceptions to the rule to never be absolute. I don't think it is a coincidence that their are so many Czech dogs used for Police service work. They do have a good balance of aggression and biddability. Therein lies the secret. There are WG showline dogs that do police work, and there are some HARD lines(korbelback,nick,crok) that are doing police service work. But the days that you can send a dog after a perp and he does his maneater thing are over without lawsuits being filed. And defense lawyers can easily get expert testimony that the amount of force that was excerted by the maneater was excessive. So many departments want a dog that has good aggression and EXCELLENT response to handler commands. Some of the harder lines donot do that well in sport, now you take the police situation, adrenalin flying, real handler danger/excitement in the air, and you have the recipe for a dog "OFF the Hook". Hard dog people don't get defensive, I'm not saying these dogs can't do police work but these dogs would need to be constantly fine tuned for obedience and control(in action,not everyday control, I KNOW your dog has rock solid nerves and goes home with you). And a lot of policeservice dogs don't train often enough to keep this in sinc. Germany is the home of the West German workinglines and they are complaining that the dogs being bred are not suitable for policework so they are using Mals. Certainly, this is not because of a lack of aggression in these lines, NO there is more to a plice service dog than aggression and our society today dictates this. In closing, yes anyline of dog can produce service dogs, but certain lines have more of the total package than do other lines. Also, the person who said the military(and many police)don't care about pedigrees but whether not not the dog will work.

its not so much that these dogs cant do the work or that they are to hard too. they are just more highly trained & qualified then the handlers. For intsance aggod service police dog never stops training and has a minimum of 6-10 months of contiuous training to do the work on the other hand most handlers do an average of two weeks to handle such a partner Haus Simpkins

its not so much that these dogs cant do the work or that they are to hard too. they are just more highly trained & qualified then the handlers. For intsance aggod service police dog never stops training and has a minimum of 6-10 months of contiuous training to do the work on the other hand most handlers do an average of two weeks to handle such a partner Haus Simpkins

Sometimes when I post in morning before work I run my thoughts together. What i meant to articulate is that some of the extremely hard dogs that do sport work require a lot of training after they have learned the basic routines to be able to compete. I have seen TOP trainers work endlessly on the out, the recall, responsive obedience when these dog are in drive. Now you transplant this dog to a high adrenalin situation in the public that can easily be videotaped and when you are choking the dog off the perp because OUT isn't even acknowledged....then the department lawyers are getting nervous.I also agree with Haus Simpkins that deft handlers are needed for these dogs and all police officers aren't great handlers. So these factors along with availability, of said dogs decreases the use of some of the hard lines for service work. Also a hard dog doesn't have to be handler aggressive, but a hard dog will make a fool of a unskilled handler in most cases.

This PSD dog comes from what I guess you can call servicedogslines. Most dogs in the first three generations are policedogs or armydogs. It seems that this type of breeding are not so common in germany/belgium where most dogs are titled in SCH instead. http://home.no.net/mkthoren/bruksmarkens%20dulo.html

"Hard dog people don't get defensive, I'm not saying these dogs can't do police work but these dogs would need to be constantly fine tuned for obedience and control(in action,not everyday control, I KNOW your dog has rock solid nerves and goes home with you)." I agree totally.

I agree with you to a pointShinokami. but the majority of my experiences are weak handlers GOOD DOGS. Jennie As Far As Routine titling or Street titling goes the only title i like to see is KNPV For The Work ability and control H.S.

I think you meant Gustav. :p

Let's extend this a little further, would a seeing eye dog be considered a service dog and what about a dog that really herds sheep in real life. Do we tend to see the lines that the hard dogs emanate from used in these vocations. Why?,Why not?---These lines do tend to have rock solid nerves which is one of the components for these vocations. I'm curious as to peoples experiences with this scenario.

Gustav - My daughter's Guide Dog was out of Charly vom Kannenhof. I was told by an idiot that the "genetics" of this type of lines could never do Service work. That I had never put this dog in a situation where it would be forced to protect. LIES LIES LIES!!! This dog was constantly put into those situations, every time my daughter took her out into public. In Vegas, my daughter was approached by strangers all the time, and she (the dog) NEVER once showed an ounch of "aggression"! We have all kinds of photos and video to prove this fact. So.. I guess a new thread for this topic would be "nature vs. nurture". Yes, I think genetics play a role in how a dog is, but I'm also a firm believer that the way a dog is raised, cared for, and trained plays a BIG role as well.