bio-engineering; synthetic DNA, that replicates - a bit scarey - Page 2

That is a possibility. i do not know enough about the date of the flood but it is obvious that continental drift is a slow process.

of course the creationist could argue continental drift was rapid at a chosen time to fit the flood story and then mysteriously slowed down again all to fit the observable facts. however that would open a nightmare of even harder things they would then have to explain.

i just sincerely wish they would just leave religion like the christians i admire do; a deeply personal and private relationship that they try emulate in their daily life with the bible nothing more than a man made book of parables, myths and lessons to be inspired by and learn from and be guided by . why is that so hard for some, let me guess power and money, the anti-thesis of jesus.

Not all creation scientists believe continental drift occurred at the time of the flood.  Also, some hypothesized land bridges or frozen ice creating temporary land bridges may explain why some species exist in specific locations.  

As far as religion being personal, it is.  However, keeping it private is not really practical because our faith requires that we stand up for our beliefs and we are supposed to witness to others.  Also, we must believe that everything in the Bible is the truth.  

Ice bridges would be convenient as they leave little evidence of having existed. many other problems to explain but for anothet thread.

as far as believing everything. in the bible as literally true and innerant and infallible please direct me ti the scripture that says that and which of the thousands of different religions or sects of xtianity is right, the trinitarians, the Jehovah's, the mormons the catholics their differences in how one gets to heaven is not insignificant .

Here are some verses:

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth

Matthew 4:4 - But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Isaiah 40:8 - The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

 

Interesting conversation vk4, with ggturner, but I would like to speak what is on my mind - plus some input I will be adding here. I found interesting quote by D.M.S. Watson. Vk4, is it science or just philosophical Bias? “[Evolution is] a theory universally accepted not because it can be proved by logically coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible.”

 

“Interpretation” So is not what we can prove that counts, its - what we don’t like that counts; why is the creation incredible vk4? Because it can be prove unscientific? Because it can be proved it didn’t happened? No, well maybe it did happened, oh no, it’s incredible! How do you know? Well because we don’t like it, and we will define what is credible and rational based on what we prefer, really? I though we live in democracy where people can believe what they want, search the truth the way they want to - you see, and that is the point I want to bring in this thread, everybody is for democracy, everybody for freedom of thought and I need to point out? Orwell that has his heyday with this type of science because they suppress freedom of thought under there definition, it is incredible by the definition even thou they can’t prove it’s wrong.

 

I also found a quote by L.T More he brought it to the ultimate or I call it unlogic reductio odd absurdum. Reducing the argument to its ultimate unlogical, yet absurd conclusion: He said the only alternative [to evolution] is the doctrine of special creation, which may be true, but is irrational.

 

I have to ask the question? How can the truth be irrational? If the truth is irrational how can we have any kind intelligent or logical discussion about anything? Since after all anything we discuss might be truth is also irrational, why waste a time on this forum or in any other threads? Basically the truth that which exists as reality! That’s which exists as reality is simply the truth. How (can) that which exists is reality somehow be irrational? The ONLY answer I can find is only if philosophical bias is given more importance than truth. But here we supposed dealing with science; science is suppose to have upper-hand, what we can prove by repeated experimentation an observation under control conditions in the laboratory preferably, that’s suppose to reign but here we seeing over and over again – science has little to do, with why some of the most emanate evolutionist in history have rejected creation out of hand, it doesn’t fit there bias and if they have to they even say truth is irrational because if that’s the real truth they don’t want it. Much like Jews said about Jesus, we won’t have this man to reign over us, we don’t care if he can walk on water or change the water to wine, raise the dead, we don’t care, we don’t like him, he is not the kind of messiah we want. And yet many evolutionists say well it may be true but we don’t want it, we will therefore call it irrational and proclaim ourselves the victors because we rational, we scientific by definition.  

 

And I want to remind you the same quote again by Sir Arthur Keith.

“Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation which is unthinkable,” In other words we are not believing because we can prove it, we can’t, it’s just because the alternative so distasteful, so impatible, so reprehensible, that we rather believe anything than believe that. Well, it’s a free country, you can choose what you prefer to believe but you don’t have a right to say that believe system is science by the definition. Thank you for reading. Shtal.

Try as he might, man can never replicate what God has done.

This video  made me catch my breath.  It is a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.  Definitely an extremely intelligent creator at work here.

 

Nice quotes ! ggturner and Shtal :)

"As far as religion being personal, it is.  However, keeping it private is not really practical because our faith requires that we stand up for our beliefs and we are supposed to witness to others.  Also, we must believe that everything in the Bible is the truth. " 

"And I want to remind you the same quote again by Sir Arthur Keith.“Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation which is unthinkable,” In other words we are not believing because we can prove it, we can’t, it’s just because the alternative so distasteful, so impatible, so reprehensible, that we rather believe anything than believe that. Well, it’s a free country, you can choose what you prefer to believe but you don’t have a right to say that believe system is science by the definition. Thank you for reading. Shtal"

 

 

Shtal that is your explanation for how kangaroos got to australia.



ruget i just made a thread showing evolution occurring in a lab, there is so much evidence for evolution. that you are both cowardly and dishonest not to acknowledge it all.


god hates cowards and liers.


what evidence you got for god. id has been to us federal court with christian judge and jury, it is not science and it is not proof of god.


ruger the bible says women should be submissive to men at all times and completely. should you even be arguing with a man bible says no.

Vk you are full of it  ,,,I don't have a problem with evolution as long as it doesn't clearly contradict the Bible...And as far as me being a liar and a coward; I am neither,,If you cant speak to me with in a respectful and decent manner don't address me. In keeping with the same that is typically why I do not make it a habit to address you..

I don't care what you think about God, Christianity, or evolution one way or the other,, ..Believe what you like,,, :)

Me submissive lol,,that is funny VK,,,,,,You wsh!!,,,,,,

 

 

 

Thanks Ruger.

vk4:  no need to be rude to others.   What if you found out that hundreds of scientists today are skeptical of evolution because of the lack of evidence?   And I mean scientists from multiple countries, most of whom aren't Christians or followers of other religions.