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by vk4gsd on 29 March 2014 - 00:03
Given that all gifts are given given the gift that gifting is given.
by beetree on 29 March 2014 - 00:03
by vk4gsd on 29 March 2014 - 01:03
Ok then don't take it as given that all the givens are given and that all givens are gifts.
unless it is given that all gifts are given and all givens are gifts that are given as given gifts.
unless it is given that all gifts are given and all givens are gifts that are given as given gifts.
by vk4gsd on 29 March 2014 - 01:03
Unless its not given that the given givens are given as gifts that are given given they are given as gifts.
by beetree on 29 March 2014 - 01:03
Maybe. I doubt it, though. I stop looking when the gerbil thing, (* infinite regressive argument*)— now, becomes apparent.
by vk4gsd on 29 March 2014 - 01:03
Do what you gonna buy me??
by beetree on 29 March 2014 - 01:03
Not me. I wish Erin still was around to give you a spanking. You need something, or other.
by Mountain Lion on 29 March 2014 - 14:03
"""ML: I understand that wonder would be a normal part of the emotional experience in the unexpectedness of a gift that can answer a recipients innermost desires (including wishes), to the point of never being mentioned to others. However think of other types of gift giving practiced as a tradition, a rite, a message."""
I think perception comes into play here Bee. For instance the average person gets up in the morning and EXPECTS to see the Sun shinning and they walk outside and EXPECT to get a breath of fresh air. They take this as a GIVEN. It becomes unemotional to them.
Now if we take say a cancer survivor, they may wake up in the morning and be overwhelmed with appreciation to the start of another nice day. This is a gift to them.
I think society in general has drifted over to the given side, expecting everything as a given, with less appreciation. Like the way Holidays have become over-commercialized.
To me it's somewhat like Oli making improvements on this site. A bunch of people will thank him and a few (pain in the asses) will say something like you should have done that 2 years ago.
You're probably looking for a different answer, just my $.02 on Gift vs Given.
I think perception comes into play here Bee. For instance the average person gets up in the morning and EXPECTS to see the Sun shinning and they walk outside and EXPECT to get a breath of fresh air. They take this as a GIVEN. It becomes unemotional to them.
Now if we take say a cancer survivor, they may wake up in the morning and be overwhelmed with appreciation to the start of another nice day. This is a gift to them.
I think society in general has drifted over to the given side, expecting everything as a given, with less appreciation. Like the way Holidays have become over-commercialized.
To me it's somewhat like Oli making improvements on this site. A bunch of people will thank him and a few (pain in the asses) will say something like you should have done that 2 years ago.
You're probably looking for a different answer, just my $.02 on Gift vs Given.
by beetree on 29 March 2014 - 14:03
ML,
Your thoughtful answer is what I am looking for! Also, to address your last comment, I am not exactly "looking" for any particular answer. I might have my own personal suspicions about some possible conclusions, if the right question gets to be asked. Nothing concretely formed to what that is, as yet!
Your thoughtful answer is what I am looking for! Also, to address your last comment, I am not exactly "looking" for any particular answer. I might have my own personal suspicions about some possible conclusions, if the right question gets to be asked. Nothing concretely formed to what that is, as yet!
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