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by Gustav on 17 February 2014 - 12:02

Plenty of SL have civil capability, it's usually the lack of nerve base when pressure is excerted to allow the civil to be clearheaded and productive. Sounds like maybe to much pressure by decoy at this age. 

by Gustav on 17 February 2014 - 12:02

As for suggestions....work more bites from angles, cut down on frontal bites, runaway bites on leash with dog pulling you. This is very young puppy.

by gsdstudent on 17 February 2014 - 12:02

kit kat; BALANCE. Key to all training. Key to all breeding. 

kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 17 February 2014 - 14:02

 student, I totally agree and know that a well balanced dog is what we all want. I myself would prefer to see a German Shepherd display more civil action 'on the job' than all this prey monger crap.
    I have dogs with both. My DDR import has so much prey drive, it's a little too much. She's the screamer while in gear. And a few of my dogs display a 'very civil side', which to me, is a good thing.
    I think they display the real intented use of a German Shepherd in any given sutuation.
You just see so many knocks at the GSL and their lack of civil defense,  that it just boggles the brain that when a dog demonstrates it has what it takes to be a real dog, someone wants to replace that with what I guess is points in the sport world.
    In the real world, I want to know my dog is gonna give you a little taste of what for, not stalk you out to do nothing!

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 17 February 2014 - 14:02

Think of what an animal does when hunting down prey. They chase after it. The prey doesn't (usually) turn and fight, though of course, it will fight for its life once it's been bitten.

So, escape bites, biting from the side, anything else you can think of that simulates the action of prey. Maybe limit the amount of tugging that's allowed before the dog is allowed to 'win'.

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 17 February 2014 - 14:02

Just out of curiousity, what are the bloodlines?

VKGSDs

by VKGSDs on 17 February 2014 - 17:02

What does the helper say?  IMO even a showline dog who may not be destined for the WUSV podium should be able to show different results working depending on how the helper is working the dog.  I think it always boils down to the helperwork and also communication between helper and owner/handler.  I usually tell the helper what I want and then if they are a good training helper, they can think through how to work the dog to show that.

susie

by susie on 17 February 2014 - 17:02

I wouldn´t suggest anything without seeing a training video...

Insecure because of too much pressure?
Overchallanged?
Just a good dog?
 

by SitasMom on 17 February 2014 - 19:02

We, the helper and I, have discussed her "new" drive attitude and have decided to keep her in prey as much as possible for now. We want to develop her slowly, and make sure she eompletely understands and enjoys the game before working her in civil. I am to tie her off and do lots of prey building with balls, tugs and pillows. At practice, we will play it by ear, and keep building on her pery for a while. No need to push her.until she is older.

She is Czech/Slovak SL.

by Gustav on 17 February 2014 - 21:02

Czech/Slovak SL are often stronger than German SL because of phenotype, even though they have pretty much the same genotype. 





 


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