The Story of Indiana - Slideshow - Page 2

Beautiful tribute and presentation. I forwarded it to the staff at University of PA. The music is particularly wonderful, and I cannot imagine a more fitting tribute to a much-beloved dog. The work itself, that went into putting this slide show together, belies the depth of feeling beneath the sentiments. Good job, and thank you. Shelley Strohl

Blitzen- I hope we meet in person someday, so I can personally choke the living #*@! out of you, you insensitive twit. Many of us on this board have been in similar situations. One never REALLY know, deep down inside, whether they did "the right thing." There is NO "good day" to put your dog to sleep. Just the number and quality of the pictures in the slide show are enough to convince anyone that Indiana was very much loved, and the decision to finally send him to the bridge was hard-made and painful Come on, you guys... Where is your empathy? Shelley

Blitzen, rest assured that people on the German boards feel the same way you do!!!! He has heard the same arguments and complaints. Jantie, please give it a rest, will ya? You won't gain any more sympathies. People are tired of this story. And you wrote on DSH-Biz, that there are millions of other dogs like Indiana! That is not true! There are millions of GSDs who are healthy, and there are lots of GSDs which have worse CHD than Indiana had and they live long happy lives. It is my opinion too, that you never gave him a chance to that, due to your personal vendetta with his breeder and the SV. And remember the gag order Jantie, which the court issued. This is a well-meant advise!

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/61647.html

Shelley, I'm sorry you feel that way about me.

Thanks for that post, Chris. It looks like I'm going to end up being the bad guy once again.

No, you are not. Many people remember these discussions as well. I think Shelley was not here on the board during that time. Shelley, can you read German? Please visit www.dsh-biz.de, but you need to register as a member. Otherwise you won't have access to that part of the board. Chris

Silbersee! Don't you step in here telling lies. I have never used the word: 'millions'. I'm way too accurate a person to tell that kind of sh*. I am perfectly aware of the numbers, approx. 20.000 pups (in fact, numbers are decreasing) are born and registered within the SV on a yearly base. I used the word: 'thousands' (like I did in the slideshow!) Go check! Now don't you go telling around here people in Germany feel the way Blitzen does. Many mails are coming in, confirming my thesises (and talking about the - many - HD-doggies they had), and a lot of them will soon be published in the WUFF-Magazin. But YOU Silbersee, are a breeder. You of course MUST use and promote complete DENIAL. NOBODY should step up here, as if he or she knew in how much pain the dog was. You were NOT around! And noone should tell any other dogowner what to do, when a decision needs to be taken. So keep your crap to yourselves. You can refrain from visiting my websites alltogether, I got no problem with that. I am inviting people without prejudices. Let them come and make there own judgments. I welcome unbiased opinions and will continue to strive for more stringent breeding regulations. DDR-DSH, NO, Indiana had a bad LEFT hip. And YES, quote: "Personally, I think that the numbers are much higher than what are being reported." Unquote. Indeed. Prof. Flückiger, who is an institution for HD/ED, mentioned very alarming numbers, they are in a quotation on my website. And Shelley, I appreciate you standing up without prejudice very very much! One needs a lot of guts to stand up against the die-hards. Thank you. I will also be forwarding my slideshow to important universities around here and in Germany, so it can be used in lectures. Thank you for your kind support in a moment when hard punches are thrown at my face.

Sorry to change the subject, but many believe with good reason that unilateral HD is ONLY caused by injury. This brings into question the very precept of Janties vendetta. Jantie, we have been into this before, so you know that the data I have found conflicts with your own. I appreciate as I have stated the very good info you have posted such as the production numbers of top German males. Sadly it appears that the waters are quite muddied with regard to your unfortunate dog and your feelings about his breeder. No breeder willfully produces bad hips. It is bad for business. There are also many options available for mitigating the effects of HD. As usual many on the board volunteered help. This was apparently unacceptable to you. At times in life we are called upon to make difficult decisions. You bear responsibility for the choices that you make. This is not the first case I have seen in which a dog could have lived quite well with treatment, but was not given the chance. I say this as gently as I can. Jonah

One seems to be missing the point completely. Whether Indiana was put to sleep too soon, or to late, is NOT the issue. (And by the way, your mother’s euthanasia (should you ever be in that position to judge, which I hope will never happen) is NOT MY business, right? I can’t judge from over here, if you have given her all the chances she deserves or the level of her pain. Let the decision about Indiana equally be mine and my daughters.) The message which is carried out by me is, that less than half of all GSDs have anatomically sound hips. THAT is the issue! Now some may find my figures biased. “Who is he? Some amateur, twisting figures the way he likes them!” OK! Why don’t we discuss the matter on the base of the HD/ED-Expert? And I quote: “Dear Mister D., thank you for your documents. The numbers as well as your conclusions are well known. Already 30 years ago, it was proved beyond doubt, that pairings with HD-dogs bring more dysplastic offspring , while HD is hereditary. Equally generally known is, that not nearly all dogs are x-rayed, and that from the clearly dysplastic dogs the very few show up in the official statistics. Equally generally known is, that in Germany (and your data originate from there), just like in other countries that have their images assessed by/checked by the SV in Germany, GSDs for years have been evaluated too mildly. In fact, only 20-25% (depending on year of birth) of the x-rayed GSDs are HD-frei (a1 = HD1 = HDa). Now what does this mean? The data/the evidence is overwhelming. HD could be reduced to a minimum with current breeding methods…” Unquote. Methods are then described. My point is, the SV doesn’t care to put them into effect and THAT is the problem. As you see, my numbers are not questioned by scientists (experts on HD/ED!!) On the contrary! They correct them and say, instead of my 50% of sound hips, there would only be 25%!! I rest my case with the experts numbers.