VOM and VON - what does this mean? - Page 2

Agree w/Markobytes. I'd be less than thrilled, to say the least, if someone bred dogs and then used my kennel name, just because one of the parents (or even both) bore my kennel name. If *I* didn't do that breeding, then I don't want my name attached. It's misleading to people researching and a huge part of litter letters and kennel names is for ease of research and record-keeping.  I would hope the person doing the breeding would be proud of their breeding and would WANT their own, unique name attached to the pup, as it is the fruit of THEIR actions, not mine. 

von/vom are the same thing.  Which one you use depends on the gender of the noun in the prep. phrase.  They can mean of, from, from the, of the, etc.  The German language has significantly less words than English and many other languages so the word can have slightly different meanings depending on how it is being used. 

Hello - I am so very thankful for those that have "EDUCATED" me in the registration do's and don'ts, as well as explaining to me what VOM and VON mean - again THANK YOU! Those that didn't read my earlier posts, the registration process for a dog is new to me, and totally different then horse registration (which I am very familiar with) - with horse registration, you carry on the names of the previous horse names - not necessarily the breeder name. Honestly, I cant tell you who bred Mr. Impressive, but can tell you several of the horses that he sired including success's. With dog registration, I now understand the kennel name is very important.  Logically, finding it kinda interesting that a kennel name could be more important then the dog that excelled in his/her ability - just my thoughts - or perhaps I am missing something. Regardless, I reached out to AKC earlier today to get a better understanding, asking what the previous names on the pedigrees stood for, what VOM/VON means, and many others,,,, but no prevail. Turning to this forum I have a better understanding -  names on the pedigree "ARE" kennel names - to me, this is different, but ok. I had high hopes that folks would help me, and some did, but others have only given me absolute disappointment and amazed with the comments posted. 

Good evening,
 

AKC registered kennel name is a whole other question; a lot of breeders use one kennel name but never bothered to have it "officially" registered w/AKC. Dogs and horses are totally different. Dogs come in large litters; to keep track of dogs and their accomplishments, health, etc., it's longstanding tradition to name them by litter letter and kennel name. The kennel name is like a last name, and when evaluating bloodlines, you can far more easily say, for example, that the "T" litter von der Bosen Nachbarschaft was a pretty good breeding, instead of saying Troll was a well-known and desired producer. With the first example, someone can easily research and find out more. With the second, many people unfamiliar with GSDs would say "Troll who?" Some who are more familiar would say "Which Troll?" Anyway, the point is, unless dealing w/BYB dogs, names are NOT random. 

Didn't the people you're buying from already give the pup a name? That's very unusual, especially coming from decent bloodlines. Not that Kraftwerk is a favorite of mine, but the dogs are typically well-bred. 

If you got the registration paper or blue papers as they use to be called.
If someone has a kennel name they usually put their name on the papers
and maybe let u choose part of the pups name.  If it's left blank then u do
not put any kennel name in there.  It's important to know this as reputable
breeders are proud of their kennel name.  It's almost like forging someone's
name doing this.    This is not meant to be arrogant or mean.
Just pick a name you like that fits your new puppy.
 

It is illegal per the AKC for anyone other than the "owner" of the dog to fill in part of or all of the name on the registration application. Breeders may not write in their kennel name and/or any other part of the registered name unless they intend to register  that particular dog in their own name. If a breeder wants to be sure his or her kennel name is used to register the dog, then he needs to register it before transferring it to a new owner.

If a breeder doesn't want anyone else using his kennel name, then it's a relatively simple and inexpensive process to register that name with AKC. Don't assume that everyone even knows your kennel name and will honor  your reputation by not using it.

In German the is translated differently according to the case being used and the gender or plurality of the word it is describing.
In the nominative case the is translated as
    der (masculine), die (feminine), das (neuter)
in the accusative case
   den (masculine), die (feminine),  das (neuter)
in the genitive case
   des (masculine), der (feminine), des (neuter)
in the dative case
  dem (masculine), der (feminine), dem (neuter)
Vom is a contraction of von dem it is used to describe masculine or neuter words in the dative case. 
von der  is used to describe feminine words in the dative case. You have to be careful and look up the word used in the kennel name to check the gender of the word, it sometimes is not what you would think it is.
    The owner or leassor of the female is usually the one that makes the match and as such should get the credit or the blame.

Welcome to the forum jmmiller, there is a lot of good information in this thread and your question was not an easy one believe it or not. The AKC and the German system for naming dogs is very different and vom and von is very misunderstood. I have heard people ask educated Germans this same question and twice their response was " one means of the other means from" I think they didn't have time to give a lesson in German grammar so they just blew the questioners off. A lot of people still think this is the correct answer. The thread beetree gives a link to is one of my favorites and it is a lesson on how business is conducted here. A person asked the same question about vom and von and a know it all answered incorrectly, then someone gives the correct answer and the know it all does not accept it. The thread goes on for pages and at the end of it the know it all gets the correct answer from someone she works with, never does she acknowledge or probably realize it is the same reply she rejected in the first place, probably because she could not take being corrected.

One thing that has always puzzled me is this:
A dog born in Germany has its Kennel Name in
German, [ whether it is 'von', vom', 'aus', etc].

A dog born in the States - or in Britain - gets
given a name from that  English-speaking
Kennel, of VON 'Something' - WHY ?  Just as
easy to think of Kennel names / affixes  in
English, isn't it ?  Are breeders trying to pretend
all their pups are actually German, for any kudos
that brings ?  They want to look separate from
AKC / the KC  ?  They want their kennel to look
longer-established than it actually is ?   Even a lot
of the 'purely' Working folk do it, and it seems to
be creeping into the Czech etc dogs too.  One thing
importing a dog with its foreign Kennel name already
in place, entirely another to then go on a) using that
Kennel name on subsequent generations,  or b)  create
a new Kennel name not in your own language.  Who
are people kidding ?

Ex-pat Germans living and breeding in the UK / States excepted,
obviously.  It's possible to invent a German-sounding affix, (if you
​want to stress your kennel uses recent German bloodlines,  or
acknowledge the breed's country of origin), but to use the alternatives:
'Of', 'From', 'Out of',  and so on, instead of  von, vom ...
and purchasers would be less confused.
 

I have yet to breed a litter but will be co-breeding soon and I just use either German or English.  "HundName vom Blauen Horizont" or "Blue Horizon's DogName".  To me it makes more sense for it to be German OR English, but not "von/vom [an English word]".  Is that what you mean?