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Carlin

by Carlin on 14 July 2013 - 16:07

I have to reserve my own judgment, because I wasn't there to see it for myself.  Did, he go looking for trouble; it's a definite possibility.  I'm not sure that putting himself and Martin in a bad situation should be confused with what happened after that, when both Zimmerman and Martin were responsible for their actions.   I personally don't know that he would have been assaulted.  One question I do have floating around in my mind today, is how to weigh one's right NOT to be assaulted, with the use of force resulting in death.  I almost get the sense that people are saying that because an assault may not end with a homicide, a person doesn't have the right to fend off that assault with force.  I can tell you, that if I am about to be assaulted, I can't be sure where it's going to end up, but I'm not taking any chances, and will defend myself with whatever it takes. That said, I know of people who have the vigilante complex many are accusing Zimmerman of having.  Is that him, it's certainly possible.  I'm thinking he needed to walk away, but I don't know exactly what he was looking at either. 

by joanro on 14 July 2013 - 16:07

911 told him to stop following the teenager...Zimmerman decided to ignor that advice and take matters in his own hands armed with a gun. The teenager is dead. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where Zimmerman screwed up, which caused the death of an unarmed teenager walking back from the store to his uncle's (?) house. Doesn't matter that the teenager decided to protect himself, or that he had smoked pot at some time in his life, he did not deserve to be killed. What if he was carrying a gun and was able to kill Zimmerman before Zimmerman killed Travon....what if they shot each other simultaneously and they both died. Zimmerman should have left him alone and likely no one would have been hurt, or killed.

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 14 July 2013 - 16:07

I wish I had time to comment more but I've appointed myself neighborhood watch captain, strapped on a gun and am busy enjoying my constitutional right to follow teenage girls around the neighborhood. They're wearing tight little shorts so I'm pretty sure they must be prostitutes.

Carlin

by Carlin on 14 July 2013 - 16:07

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where Zimmerman screwed up, which caused the death of an unarmed teenager walking back from the store to his uncle's (?) house.


If Martin chose to assault Zimmerman, then it was Martin's actions which ultimately caused the shooting. 

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 14 July 2013 - 16:07

"If Martin chose to assault Zimmerman, then it was Martin's actions which ultimately caused the shooting."

Of course but why would Martin have done so?  I'm sure Martin saw other people and cars on his way to and back from the store; why would he decide that it was a good idea to suddenly attack one of them without provocation?  It simply doesn't make sense.

Carlin

by Carlin on 14 July 2013 - 17:07

You know what, there is an enormous difference in psyche imo, from shooting in self defense to the commission of murder; I'm hoping the jury had sufficient evidence, and got it right.

Mindhunt

by Mindhunt on 14 July 2013 - 17:07

BE4U, not sure if you were aware of this - Marissa Alexander, the woman you have next to George Zimmerman, was in an argument with her husband and "fearing for [her] life", went outside to her car, retrieved her gun, came back into the home, and fired a warning shot at the wall next to her husband.  She was also sentenced under that absolutely stupid mandatory sentencing law from the 1990's.
 
Instead of embracing the richness that differences bring, so many times it is used in a negative divisive manner.  Racism, sexism, ageism, bias against sexual orientation, bias against different religious or spiritual beliefs, bias against those with lower SES, bias against any belief that is uncomfortable or different from others exists.  How to we address this so that future generations are not asking the same questions????

Carlin

by Carlin on 14 July 2013 - 18:07

Racism, sexism, ageism, bias against sexual orientation, bias against different religious or spiritual beliefs, bias against those with lower SES, bias against any belief that is uncomfortable or different from others exists.  How to we address this so that future generations are not asking the same questions????

Well, I can tell you that from listening to NPR this morning, for instance, these emotional and polarizing forces were working overtime, and the many baseless and reactionary presuppositions that were being made immediately following the verdict were propagated and inflamed by irresponsible journalists and media outlets.  Everyone comes to the table with an opinion, but it's incumbent upon justice to put those to rest before deliberation.  Yet, I hear words being casually thrown about such as "tragedy of justice", as if the court of public opinion, whose verdicts were reached long before the real trial even began, simply must reflect some kind of inerrant knowledge based on what has to be a form of supreme omniscience.  What a freakin' comedy.  ACLU? Really?  You never really know what people are thinking or are motivated by, but Zimmerman to me doesn't exactly embody the picture of the WASP.  Then, to assert somehow that the entire process and system was choreographed according to race?  Talk about losing sight of the forest for the trees. 

BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 14 July 2013 - 18:07

Sorry, but I have a hard time NOT seeing the differences. People like Zimmerman, wannabe cops, who runaround calling themselves sheepdogs is NOT right. Zimmerman's following you around is every bit as dangerous as cops following you around, and prolly worse since regular citizen's can collect evidence as illegally as they want - and the state will use it.

Were Zimmerman a cop, no doubt he'd have immunities with what went down, without so much as a newspaper article.
NOTHING is good about this case for people willing to take responsibility for their own defense. This is nothing more than a hit piece on the SYG Law and a promotion on racism.

I don't remember all the riot's or riot talk spewed by the MSM during and after the OJ trial.

The only reason that Alexander didn't get the stand your ground was because she left the house to get her gun from her car - then went back to fire the warning shots. Now, that Alexander was a wacked out person to begin with - but 20 years for warning shots ?

Zimmerman sought after that boy - put himself in that position to kill ok, there was NO stand your ground about it !!!

It's a mockery of SYG Law, self defense and our Justice system.

Obama should file a federal charge with the DOJ on that Zimmerman if you care to know what I think. We can't have wannabe cop Zimmermans running around - stalking and killing people with nothing more than skittles and a drink in their hands. I prolly would have beat his head in the ground too.

Carlin

by Carlin on 14 July 2013 - 18:07

Zimmerman sought after that boy - put himself in that position to kill ok, there was NO stand your ground about it !!!

That is quite an assumption, and it may be true, unfortunately.  You simply cannot go around carrying a firearm with the intention of asserting your will.  That does not make this murder.





 


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