Panda Shepherds - Page 2

Okay, found one of the threads:  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=581540-panda-shepherds  The poster's name was Incavale.

Rik, what happened to your plans to breed Pandas? 

One point I'd forgotten about until I read that old thread. It appears the homozygous form of the panda gene is LETHAL, which explains why the mutations is rare.

And it also means people should NOT be deliberately breeding for this colour pattern  !

I hope you guys understand, I am not here to argue.  I am here to state simply a true panda shepherd will have a certificate of authenticity from UC at Davis. As far as I understand, they are GSDs; not mutts. They are not piebald or spotted. Yes, I have heard the stories about culling; however, remember years ago they did the same thing to the party colored poodle. There has been a study done on this breed by UC at Davis.  They are able to reproduce, the first litter 25% panda shepherds; 2nd litter 50% panda shepherds; etc.  I have not heard of a full panda shepherd litter yet.  I would imagine that is due to the breed being so few. When I first heard about them there were only 80 known.  I only know of one panda shepherd to panda shepherd breeding(maybe more now)bred and that was done under the supervision of UC at Davis. I don't know if the progeny were all panda shepherds or just don't remember. There are no panda shepherds that have been sold out of the country except Canada. 

looks like they were using them in the military around 1870 or so.

Okay, Rik, I just splurted coffee all over the screen!

You think there's a GSD fan older than um...let's say 40...that won't recognize Rin Tin Tin from the 1950's TV series? 

And he was a black and tan, NOT a panda!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNZzAXRc2hA

Not attempting to go off topic, the dog pictured above is not Rin Tin Tin, it was a dog owned and handled by a gentleman who worked with Rin Tin Tins  owner.
 And it was  Black & Tan colored.

Read the book "Rin Tin Tin the Life and the Legend"

Kim

Here's Incavale's panda as an adult



And a pup, with her normally coloured littermates:

 

Kim, I'm afraid you're mistaken. The original Rin-Tin-Tin was found in a bombed-out kennel in France by a man named Lee Duncan. Of course, this dog was long dead by the 1950's. According to the Rin Tin Tin website, four dogs, all of them related to the original Rin Tin Tin  were used in the series.

Go to the Rin Tin Tin website for the complete history: http://www.rintintin.co/com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=53.

Daphne Hereford, the lady who has control of the Rin Tin Tin name and bloodline is quite passionate about preserving it.

Some people say it's a real cash cow, too, but I don't agree. Breeding dogs is expensive, and these dogs aren't show dogs. She has to make money to keep the line going somehow. She also donates puppies to act as service dogs for disabled kids, as well as having the current Rin Tin Tin appear at many charitable fundraisers.

Well, either your right, or the author of the book is right?

According to the author, the Rin Tin Tin and his owner did all the publicity shots, never actually worked on that show. 

Read the book


Kim

I'd prefer to talk to Daphne. She's the custodian of the bloodline, and knows the history better than anyone alive. She's been known to post here from time to time. A lot of things have been written about these dogs that are not accurate. I believe she even took the writer of one book to court.

I have heard  a bit about Daphne from people in the movie industry, and their opinions as to why none of Rin Tin Tins descendant's do not work in it.


Anyway....you probably know better than I do, carry on back to the Pandas


Kim