Need Opinion on Future Breeding - Page 2

I had a screamer and it wasn't really too much prey drive, but high prey and a low threshold and the dog just "leaked".  You can have a good deal of prey drive without screaming.

yes, she will be ready in the next couple of months for her BH , she must be 15 months to go to trials, i'm just woundering if this will be a good match in the future, for a planed breeding or not.

I WOULD DO IT!
EVERY BREEDING YOU DO IS LIKE ROLLING DICE, YOUR GUNNA GET SOME THAT WILL TURN OUT SOME THAT WONT, IT HAPPENDS TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD, ITS WITH EVERYTHING IN LIFE. THERE ARE PROS AND CONS WITH EVERYTHING

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY NOT BUT WHO ARE THEY TO SAY WHATS RIGHT FROM WRONG..
DO WHAT YOU THINK WILL BETTER THE BREED,
THEY ALL HAVE DONE WHAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD BETTER THE BREED.
BREEDING IS A GAMBLE PERIOD

I have dogs that have loads of prey, that are not screamers.
To me, it seems that the screaming =frustration.My dog that does the screaming does it when dogs go in and out without her.
She is so worried one of them might be getting one up on her. I don't like it.

Wait until you see what the bitch develops into. Less than a year old is a little hard to determine their temperaments, as far as drives and capabilities. I'm glad that she is ready or close to being ready for a BH, but why not see how she develops in the other phases of schutzhund, and how she scores. The male's scores aren't the best, but you did state that it had just recently rained. The pedigrees are great, but it's only one factor out of a ton to rely on. What about confirmation of the dogs? The hips and elbows of the dogs (the male's has been done, but the female isn't even old enough to really know)? DM testing? Temperament? Do they complement each other. I'm not one who agrees with AUBS47. Yes, every breeding is going to be a gamble. You can have duds or you can have fantastic dogs. But that's not just a reason to breed. Do the individual dogs fit into the breed standard and are good representations of the breed, have good drives and good health, and good temperaments? And do they compliment each other? That's what I would ask if I were considering breeding. What do they offer to the breed overall, and do they complement each other. But that's just my opinion, you can take it or leave it :) But I'm not one to breed just to breed. I hope that my female will develop into a nice dog to possible breed, she's under a year and almost there for a BH, but I'm waiting until she matures to determine what she has to offer and what her temperament develops into. 

The female or bitch and her bloodline contributes more than 50% (by some estimates 60% or more) to the litter.  I look first at the bitch and if she is great there are lots of males she can be mated with to produce a fine litter.  Likewise when I look at any dog's pedigree I look first at the maternal line.

I've had a few screamers, as Gustav said, linebred 5-5 on T litter vd BN. I would have to say that in my limited experience with screamers,  that it's not as simple as "way too much prey drive." I'm not going to lie and say they don't have a lot, but they've actually got quite a healthy serving of aggression and what I consider appropriate thresholds. They're actually fairly balanced and pretty strong. High drive, but not unable to cap it or think through it and I wouldn't call them extreme. Sometimes, I think a trait is just one of those matter-of-fact things that can be inherited or not and it may not be that definitive as to how the dog is or isn't. These dogs scream out of sheer excitement sometimes, and it's not anything more than annoying; it's not obsessive, it's not constant...it's occasional and it's more when they're being very demanding/anticipatory than anything else. I do have one on video screaming while swimming as fast as he could to a ball in the water, trying to beat his cousin to it. The dog is wonderful and I wouldn't avoid breeding him just because he screams on occasion. Now, screaming every time they're anticipating bitework, etc.? Yuck. No thank you. 

 

I have to agree with Jenni.

My male is linebred 4-4 on T litter vd BN and I would say that on the field he is much more civil aggression than OTT prey drive.  In fact I had to work pretty hard when he was young to develop his prey drive as he was definitely a late developer.  He never screams on the field, though I can wind him up to a deep barking vocalization when I cap him before releasing him for the blind search and his resulting bark and hold is very aggressive, deep and intense but he has never lost his mind and gotten dirty.

However at home, if I let my female out the back door first, he will scream like a whiney whiner as he runs after her, he can't stand her being in front of him and possibly doing something before he gets to do it.

Very similar experience, RLHAR. Screaming like a whiny bitch is a very familiar thing when the possibility of another dog getting anything ahead of them is on the horizon. This is why I deem it an annoyance and a relative non-issue, all things considered. Take the good with the bad, imo. 

I have found screamers to be associated often with Fero/Troll, I have found much prey drive to come from linebred Tom v Leedalhof progeny,.....don't know if that would applicable in this breeding, of course the pups could have none of these traits,....whatever.