Resolve the WDA/USCA - Page 2

Actually if i,m not mistaken the UScA have extended a freindly hand and even had several meetings with the WDA and each was slaped back or used to renegotiate agreements with the GSDCA. The RSV option is a viable one with the RSV a member of the VDH and FCI approved. With out UScA the WDA would shorlty disapperar because there trialing options would become even more limited, and for those UScA members that just can,t live without  SV judge signiture on there breed paper work thay have the option to join the GSDCA.  

AKC Recognized Working Dog Organizations & Titles by Breed

http://www.gsdca-wda.org/documents/pdf/programs/AKCtitles/recognizedtitles.pdf

Titles: BH, SchH1, SchH2, SchH3, IPO1, IPO2, IPO3, SchHA, FH1, FH2

#1 The Bh isn,t a title it,s a temperment test. #2 Who with a working dog really gives a flying ___k if the AKC puts the titles on a pedigree There is a perfectly good score book for that!

HI, Gustav,

I agree with your points.

We would necessarily continue to use AKC registration;  no problems there.

Beyond that, there is zero animosity toward the GSDCA or AKC from me.  They are very good organizations who serve their memberships well.

Other than registrations, they do not serve the interests of our group (SV advocates) in any capacity.

No problems with that and I have great respect for anyone who works hard in their chosen venue.

Best,

Kevin 

hello Kevin, your comments are interesting as always. and nice to read some logic from someone with the success you have.

I don't envision any scenario where the 2 clubs combine. one might go toes up and members drift to what is available. For many of us the choice is really not a choice and we're lucky if any club is available.

I can see individual clubs moving one way or another and taking members, I think UScA is in a position to take advantage of this, especially with the hard core working people and also offering breed surveys and shows for those interested. I think there will always be people who value SV certs. and will be surprised if UScA gives that up, but guess we will know before long.

RSV2000 is interesting. Any thoughts on that.

Rik

Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail....but iwill venture one more prediction, whatever happens; the WDA will not fold....period! Too many people want the SV option, and too many people that are moving in that direction. I have been hearing that they are going to fold for ten years.....didnt make sense then, makes less sense now. Sounds good in print and internet....but they have too much support from home and abroad. RSV is an interesting option, especially for sport oriented people....but the money is in the show world.

The USCA is a organization that is both selfish and destructive.  Their stated goal is to be the only GSD organization and control the GSD in the USA.  That will never happen!!  Given enough time and rope they will hang themselves.  If you look at their treasurers reports since the late 90's they have been lieing about their membership numbers for the last 15 years.  They take great care to never give membership numbers or if they do they are so high as to be laughable.  The GSDCA and the GSDCA-WDA probably have inflated their numbers as well but neither organization has stated that their goal is to eleminate anyone else.  I fail to see any advantage to joining a group that has leadership that crushes dissent and lies to it's membership.  The USCA knew it was in violation of both the spirit and letter of the WUSV rules and knowingly and willingly did so.  The membership allowed it to happen and continues to accept a voting system easily manipulated to allow the officers and board to rig the elections.  The last election was an important one but the new president has suggested the WUSV was dishonest and slow in explaining the WUSV position on the GSDCA and GSDCA-WDA.  I have shown in other posts that the USCA knew at every step what the rules were and Rotemeyer was at the 2012 September meeting in Ulm where the WUSV cast in stone the rules by amending the WUSV constitution.  Despite all this nothing was done by either Rotemeyer or Alloway to amend the bylaws of the USCA which contain provisions unacceptable to the WUSV constitution.  Alloway when confronted by GSDCA-WDA President Daniel Yee about the provisions said we need to study them , etc. .   It's all smoke and mirrors and the condemned man doesn't get to choose the date of the execution.  I suggest the moderates in the USCA who have been forced to submit to the will of the idiots who thought they could bend the SV and the WUSV to their will with a half ass group like the USCA join the SV, the GSDCA-WDA or whoever else they can ally themselves with.  Had the membership of the USCA had any guts and righted the wrongs and resolved the problem internally there might be some reason to hope the two organizations might cooperate but the solution was forced on the USCA and even now they continue to plot the demise of the AKC, the GSDCA, and the GSDCA-WDA while trying to find ways to circumvent the WUSV constitution.  The USCA plots the end of the GSDCA and the GSDCA-WDA while offering friendship??  Despite all their chest beating about how they love the GSD when I talk to many USCA members I find they are people that see themselves as the star in the dog/trainer relationship.  If they don't achieve their human centric goals then the dog is at fault and they need a better dog when in fact the dog needs a better owner and trainer.  The USCA and the majority of the USCA membership cares more about money, power, and self glory than the German Shepherd Dog they claim to protect.  The GSD and the vast majority of GSD owners needs protecting from the USCA.  Ten years from now if there is a change in the conduct and character of the USCA then some wounds may heal but ten years of plotting and lieing will not be forgiven when the USCA is most clearly not sorry and would continue to do the same if possible.  If the USCA wants to be friendly to the rest of the GSD world then walk the walk and don't just talk the talk.  I would say that 10 years of honest relationships and no back stabbing would heal a lot of wounds and that would just be within your own organization. 

Bubba,

I am a member of the board at the USCA. I never knew I/we were all that.

Nor have I ever seen once a board member display the contempt or motives you describe.

Perhaps I am delusional.

But, I think not....

Best to you,

Kevin

Clean as the yellow snow??  All of that and a lot less!!

If you let it happen then you are a part of the deceit and lies!!  Especially if you are on the USCA board and let it happen for 4 years!!  You knew the WUSV had amended the constitution yet the bylaws were never touched.  Not doing your job or just going along with the herd??  If you didn't know then why not ??  It wasn't a secret and the USCA voted for the amendment.  Nope, it was business as usual and ignore the WUSV until they make us change our ways.  Well guess what .. they did so tick tock!!  The solution is to do what's right and I know that's hard for the USCA.

All that you deserve to you and your 2500 USCA members!

I am new to all this but I don't see all the concern. So what if the USCA didn't let the WDA people in their events, this happens in so many arenas in life. Why doesn't the WDA grow bigger?? Throw so money out there and trial more,
I am sure with the GSDCA backing the can afford it. And Although I'm a new member of the USCA, just 2 days now, I have no ill will towards anyone. You like GSD's, well me too. Now lets talk sport and dogs. So much is made of
well they wont let us play.........then join up. Isn't it just that simple, you gotta pay to play....right?? Isn't that how it is at other places. Golf courses, Gyms and many social clubs. 

Why is this such a big deal. So they didn't let non-USCA members in until the WSUV said do it. good. Now they will. It's over with. Why are WDA people still complaining?? I am very perplexed.