Overvaccinating: Cause of Immune Deficiencies? - Page 2

Take a deep breathe Hodie it will be ok.

This is like the question - does the preservative in children's vaccination cause autism? One study says "no", the other "yes". The only way to actually know if our dogs really need annual vacs is to do titers and evaluate those results. Does anyone know if there are any current independent studies addressing that?

There is no more evidence that vaccinations in canines has any relation to immune deficiences that evidence of global warming. Trends, yes. Evidence, no. Scientists, Pathologists and Immunologists have varying opinions and theories but, no hard evidence.

There is no hard evidence to varify Jesus either. Just becasue it can't be proven as of yet doesn't make it so or not so.

actually there is some hard evidence, but it won't ever be made public knowledge and phara isn't exactly going to fund much in the way of research that would harm there cash cow in vaccines. I looked into MMR vaccines and diabetes, just to see if there was a link for graduate study. They can induce type I diabetes with a Rubella vaccine in mice at least, and in humans as far as i'm concerned, but who's going to sign up for that study?? How it works, there are compounds formed called Islet activating compounds that are formed ONLY in people that have recieved the MMR shot, or have congenital Rubella, meaning they got it from their mother. The congenital type, fizzles and fades after a few months in the new baby. The compounds formed from the vaccine persist for up to 7 years or longer. Why is this impt? well they're called islet activating compounds for a reason. They activate the islet of langerhans cells in the pancreas. They've known about these for quite a while, its not a new discovery. They cause the iselt cells to over produce, over produce, etc, till they fatigue and die, therefore they can no longer produce insulin. What is type I diabetes?? failure of the pancreas to produce insulin. I'm not sure what type of "hard" evidence your looking for, but that says a lot to me. Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, i'm not saying that MMR vaccines are the sole cause of type I diabetes, as with anything there are a multitude of factors, but to deny the evidence at this point is dangerous.

With a quick google search you can find any number of sites addressing vaccinating dogs. There is actually no hard scientific evidence presented from either side of the issue. I think until titers are made more affordable, we will never really know if annual vaccinations are necessary for the good of the animal. As far as vaccinations actually being harmful, there may never be hard evidence to support or deny that either. Such research takes money and lots of it; I would not expect to see any government grants alloted to research an issue that applies only to dogs and cats given there is no human model to justify the study. Humans are not vaccinated annually for their lifetime. Ever wonder why? I do not foresee AKC or the SV or any other dog registry funding such a study either. I plan to continue status quo with Blitz and any dog I may get in the future. Titering one dog is not a huge expense, but titering multiple dogs could get very expensive and it is less costly to just give the vaccinations. Breeders are caught between a rock and a hard place trying to make the right decision that will benefit their dogs in the long run. Do you vaccinate against every communicable disease to which your dogs may be exposed taking the very small risk that one is going to react adversely? Or do you only vaccainte against the life-threaenting diseases dictated by the dog's age and risk factors. Or do you not vaccinate at all and take the risk of your dog's coming in contact with a preventable disease albeit not fatal to most? No right or wrong IMO; it's a judgement call.

Titer testing shows that dogs do not need vaccinated every year. So, that only goes to reason that the immune system IS being over stimulated. Whether the dog actually will show signs and symptoms of such a condition, In my opinion, has to do with genetic weakness in those areas. Otherwise we would see more widespread problems. That does not mean that maybe some of the cancers and old age issues might be related to years of over stimulation, but like was said above, no one is going to fund research that takes away Vet's bread and butter. Debby

As long as there are idiots that bring their sick dogs to trials and practise, I will continue vacinating. We do spread ours out so they aren't all given at once though, never once a year mass vacination trip and rabies every 3-years after the puppy one. Studies can go either way, read and make your own decissions. Just remember it's a decission you need to live with if it doesn't work for your dog. BTW, we feed Canine Caviar, it's great. They need less as there is less filler so a bag goes farther. I've read about other "premium dog foods" and like this one.

SO very right Blitzen and I wont continue funding my vets vacations.

animules, Titer testing SHOWS if your dog is still immune or not. So, there is no risk if the dog is still immune. Even though it costs as much or more than the actual vaccination, it is worth it for the health of your dog's immune system. Just my opinion though... Debby