Check your facts before you buy! - Page 2

Molly, maybe I missed the joke, but how can a pup without papers be full registration?

And I just love how all the breed nazis come out of their bunkers. I'm not saying any of you are wrong, but I can pick on most breedings even if the parents are titled, ofa'd, baptized and groomed. Most dogs shouldn't be bred. Titles and fair hips don't make a good dog. I wish we spent more time stopping some humans from breeding.

Pretty bright, huh?

We stand corrected, and will apologize to Daryl,
even though he was NOT named personally in this
thread. 'Hutch' is evidently individually AKC registered.
No idea on the status of 'Nyx'.

My wife called AKC  on 03-13-2012 at
1:32PM #919-233-9767  and spoke
to a customer service rep. The call
lasted 17 minutes including hold time.

She asked about having the individual
AKC registration confirmed on two dogs,
Nyx and Hutch.

The spelling of their names was taken from
your website. She was told by the AKC rep
that NEITHER dog was their registry.

Daryl, perhaps you may want to check with AKC
or your website to ensure there are no spelling
errors to prevent this from happening if someone
else calls to verify.

However, I will also stand behind what
was told to my spouse by an AKC rep on that day.

Chaz;
You are correct, most dogs should NOT be bred.
But most owners will overlook their dogs negative
points and breed anyway, so at the least, don't you
think xrays should be done at the bare minimum?

Joanro, I think you missed my point. Non dog people ask about hip xrays on "Police Dogs" because it's common knowledge that the breed suffers from a higher than average rate of bad hips. Most everyone I know has heard of at least one GSD that has ended up in a lot of pain or PTS due to HD. Surely I'm not the only poster to this thread who has been asked that question as soon as I answered their query - what kind of dog do YOU have? The dog doesn't even need to be there. Given that, I am sort of surprised that people are interested in buying puppies from unxrayed parents is all.

AKC doesn't = quality?? Can't argue against that statement.

Blitzen, I didn't miss your point at all. I just have never had any one ever approach me when I have one of my GSDs in town town to ask if my dog has had his rear end exrayed. They comment, instead, on how beautiful they are. When you say,"higher than average", there are a whole bunch of breeds that have a much higher rate of hd than gsds. So that is not an accurate statement. Therefore, the "common knowledge" that GSDs have a " higher than average" occurrence of hd is a myth. As to breeding dogs that are not exrayed, that topic has been beaten to death; there are some people who don't give a shit, either buyer or "breeder", and you just CAN'T FIX STUPID !!!

http://www.offa.org/stats_hip.html 

GSD are ranked as #40 of 164 breeds  with HD where at least 100 individuals were evaluated between 1/74 til 12/11. I believe that places the breed in the top 25% of breeds evaluated that were diagnosed with HD.

This breed ranks #3 in total number of dogs evaluated within that time frame. Of the 102,750 evaluated,19% were diagnosed with HD. #1 in number evaluated was the Lab with 221077 evaluated, 11.8% diagnosed with HD; #2 was the Golden Retreiver with 130,304 evaluated, with 19.7% diagnosed with HD. Breeds with a lesser percentage of dogs diagnosed with HD have had far less dogs evaluated.


 

Blitzen, sadly I dont think most people know enough to ask about OFA/'a' stamp on parents of a litter.  Some people do their homework before and do ask, but many still do not.  I have people who contact me all of the time and are more concernd about the color, weight and size than hip/elbow status!  And those that do ask, often telling them "the hips are good" is all they need to hear.  They do not understand the importance of OFA/'a' stamp and seeing proof that it was done with the dogs.  They trust people too much I guess.  

I see people all of the time on email lists, facebook groups, wherever who get puppies out of untitled, not health tested parents, from idiots who throw two dogs together for no reason other than to just make puppies... and they do not understand the difference.  They think they were smart because they only paid $300 for their puppy - they got a good deal.  

Now why someone would pay $1500 for a puppy out of untitled un health tested parents when they could get a super nice quality puppy from titled/koer'd parents who have been fully tested and proven to be breed worthy for the same price, well that is beyond me lol  But I think a lot of "john q public" people fall for fancy websites and good sales pitches.  

19% is higher than average of --- what? All other breeds? 19% is a LOT lower than a whole bunch of other breeds, so your statement doesn't make sense. You've proven your self wrong with the stats you posted from OFA. When a person's sole focus is on every ill that can affect a breed, then that negative is going to befall said person. There are tremendous qualities present in the GSD that seem to take a back burner on this forum. If more space was used to discuss these wonderful qualities, perhaps the image of ALL GSDs being crippled, vicious derelicts would not be the experience strangers express when commenting about them.