Does Larus Batu has a kinked tail - Page 2

Do you have a photo of Larus' gaiting with a kinked tail. While standing with the tail relaxed, the tail carriage may appear normal. Anomalies in tail carriage are not uncommon in the Ursus line. This is usually not apparent until puppies are ~7 months old. Incidentally, after a breed show/survey in 2/85, I saw Klaus Gothe yank on several curled tails to demonstrate how to correct the problem. At another breed show, Herr Dux commented in his critique that people should clip the hair from the tips of tails of puppies with long tails. Then, there is always surgical correction.

Interesing - our puppy`s ¿hook¿ showed up around 7 months exactly as you say, we did clip the hair as advised, did not seem to make a difference at first but maybe it did in the long run as now this is not v. evident. I was also told about the ¿yanking¿method, but did not dare try this!! She is not from Ursus lines though, but her Grandfather is Baru Haus Yu, I have heard of this in that line as well.

This occurs in many lines (both German and American) and has for many decades. In the early 1980's, I saw a veterinarian (I was employed as a technician at the clinic) surgically correct the tails on nearly a whole litter of AKC "specialty" line show puppies. The pups went on to do great things (made many contributions to the gene pool--including going ROM). Their prominant breeder/owner (like countless others) became an AKC judge. Breeders of this ilk also take great liberties in having dental braces applied to correct bite problems and/or having ears and elbows fixed to create the bionic dog! This is no rumor. I've witnessed it "up close and personal". The veterinarian is bound to protect breeder or owner by client "confidentiality". Hell,I once had an AKC breeder/judge (who, BTW, contributes to this forum from time to time) attempt to sell me (for half the price of his sibling) a male youngster (from all German lines) who had a "chip" surgically removed from his elbow. Poor puppy--he got his leg "caught in a fence" (or crate--unfortunately, the tale goes on)!! As for the efficacy of trimming the hair from the tips of very LONG tails (that drag the ground), I'm told that this trimming must commence at ~3 months--many months before actual tail carriage anomalies may be seen. The problem is: when surgery and other measures are employed to eliminate the phenotypic incidents of faulty tail carriage, we usually remain ignorant of genotypic propensities and have no hint of its orgin when it suddenly appears in otherwise very promising litters. I even recall where young dogs (shown bad tails in the USA)are sent to Germany for training/titling and return home with perfect tail carriage!!

I am curious of the new rules for the German Sieger show. Does anyone know if any actual tests were made on the possible dying of dogs? Were many dogs actually measured to ensure they were proper height?

Oso, I also have a female who has both a long tail and sometimes displays a pronounced hook towards it's end. I know what the standard says, but I notice her often relax the tail and the carriage is 100% perfect. So, it is not a bit deal to me, as even with the hook, the tail is of at least sufficient length and does not hook to the side, which is a think "more" of a noticeable fault. Bob-O

Bob-O, that sounds just like my female, hers does not go to the side either and the tail is plenty long enough, she often relaxes it too, much more now than when she was younger. No its not a big deal, I used to worry more when she was a puppy but have virtually forgotten about it now. Evidently a slightly kinked tail was not a big deal for Larus either!

** Just like to let you guys that dogs exibiting kinked /curled (slight or prominent)TAILS , positively PROMISE GOOD EAR CARRIAGE ** rememember the Thuringian ancestry // wolf-like features, good ears, curled tails like that of POMERANIANS "by the way is also of German-Thuringian origin" // the Japanese spitz and all cold region sled dogs exhibit culd tail but has no problems with ear carriage and show a very generous amount of coat (never mole-like or shorthaired) My litter linebred on Mark Hausbeck / Fedor Arminius consistently show uniform curled tails // but crossed with Jeck Noricum lines somewhat HIDE the faults // but long tails even though relax when young will curl sometime when it matures...