8 mo old male hip xrays please advise

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by hunger4justice on 29 January 2012 - 04:01

Yes, I didn't want to say without more experienced opinions, but now I will...get another vet. As I said, to me, the joints looked tight enough, which is good, the rest could not tell because of horrible positioning. If this vet is already saying the hips are bad, then not only do they not take proper X-Rays, they are either lying or incompetent. Either way, that is bad and what a horrible thing to tell you without real proof. Someone on here just had a pup they sold put down by the buyer because the vet said the dog was dysplastic. The autopsy showed the hips were NORMAL! I would never take any dog to that vet again.

by Ryanhaus on 29 January 2012 - 13:01

He has good hips,
most likely has Pano..

http://www.total-german-shepherd.com/Panosteitis-in-the-GSD.html

by Jenni78 on 29 January 2012 - 15:01

At this age, they look normal. Nothing jumps out at me as being a big red flag. They are not positioned quite right and I think if we were seeing that femoral head at a slightly different angle, ie, pelvis straight and knees rotated just a bit inward, we might see a rounder appearance. They are not subluxated, however, and they just look young to me- just a normal set of immature hips imo.

God....why oh why do we consistently see people on an internet forum knowing more than vets about hip xrays? How many healthy dogs with pano or a pulled ligament have been pts over "bad hips?"

by Elkoorr on 29 January 2012 - 15:01

When you zoom in there are a few things that dont quite look right. The balls are "cornery"; and there is some slight bulging right at the growth plates. (they should align better) The position is off, but if you turn the knees more inward the balls may appear to sit more shallow in the sockets.

This is not to discourage you. Try to find a better vet with a digital x-ray machine. The pictures are much clearer and position can be adjusted immideately without wasting film. Then you know for sure if things are well or if there is reason for concern.

by Jenni78 on 29 January 2012 - 20:01

I have seen xrays of the same dog where the heads look "cornery" (great description, lol) in one film and a different angle shows a smoother view on another film. I have seen xrays taken at 6 mos. then a year old and they are not recognizeable as the same dog at all. I don't see anything at this point, taking age into consideration, that says this dog is going to have hip problems. Will he go OFA excellent? Probably not.

I did not zoom in, so take it FWIW. Elkoor may be dead on. I just didn't blow it up to analyze the bones that closely.

by Blitzen on 29 January 2012 - 21:01

I always xrayed every puppy I kept and most of those I sold at 6 months and I never had one change at all by the time they were 24 months.

by Jenni78 on 29 January 2012 - 23:01

I knew a guy who had a dog prelim w/moderate HD and OFA good at 2. All he did in the meantime was swim the dog and use Adequan injections. Pretty amazing transformation if you could see the xrays.

Caleb's xrays were tighter at 7 than when he was xrayed young for an ACL injury. Guessing muscle atrophy from restricted exercise caused minor subluxation. Point being, xrays can and do change, for better or worse. The fun part is trying to figure out the all important "WHY" to decide whether it's genetic or not.

by Blitzen on 29 January 2012 - 23:01

I'll take your word for that, I've never seen it happen. Any changes I've seen were for the worst. I had some training at Penn on that subject. We xrayed alot of GSD's there. I'm not quite sure why anyone would want to breed to a dog that needed rehab and meds to get an OFA number. Sort of like breeding to a dog with ear implants, braces, or a corrected tail.

Did you breed your dog? How did the progeny xray? That's the litmus test.

by Blitzen on 30 January 2012 - 13:01

I hope the OP decides to have another xray taken by a vet who is experienced n hip xrays and let's us know the results. I'd sedate the dog for the xray if it were mine.

by jbbrbx on 31 January 2012 - 00:01

Thanks everyone for your help. I will for sure re-xray when he is older and let everyone know how he does. Your opinions have helped allot. I was going to neuter him and place him in a pet home, but now will hold onto him and see what he does. Thanks again.
Jan ;-)

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