Mycoplasma/Stud Refund - Page 2

I think you are owed a refund and if I where you if the owner is not willing I would take it to court and add on expense for breeding a sick stud and infecting your females causing four missed litters

I would agree with the OP that the stud fee should be returned. If I were the stud owner I would have already had my boy to the vet for some testing as well. How much was the Mycoplasma testing? Is it a culture or blood test? and have your girls conceived after the treatment? Also, how was the Mycoplasma test read to you, did they specify normal, moderate, or excessive amounts of bacteria seen?  This is not something I have ever tested for but you can bet I will be now..I wonder why the contradictions in treatment between the articles that I found and kerry found? Seems they are still on the fence about this. I hope you get your breedings and refund from the stud owner, all the best to you.

Thank you all for your responses, all of you.  Your comments help me better determine if I will proceed and what I will say.  I know my chances are pretty slim for a refund as I have already asked once, but that was prior to having both females tested after being bred and were found to be positive.  So thank you very much, a stressful time right now... 

It is not my position to tarnish this breeders reputation, not at all.  She may have already read this??? and knows who I am.  Its about ethics, I did everything I was asked to do, everything. 

Producing a brucellosis report one year old is not enough to prove a dog is free from these infections, despite being told he had produced many pups before during and after my breeding, that is not enough evidence that a male is free from these bacterias...

Two separate females from two different kennels that tested positive after breeding to this stud, what more is there to say....accountability, accountability, accountability GET  YOUR STUDS TESTED JUST AS YOU REQUIRE YOUR INCOMING FEMALES TO BE TESTED! 

How many pups has the dog produced since breeding your females?  If other bitches are conceiving, in small claims you will be SOL.  Does the contract guarantee "live pups"  if so she would owe you another breeding.  If not you are paying for a stud service. 

jdiaz, just because you have mobile sperm doesn't mean that you have viable sperm.  I was at my repro vet a while back with an older male belonging to someone else that I wanted to use on one of my females and we tested his sperm and there were millions flying around on the screen but when the vet did a morphology test she saw that 70% of the sperm were defective so no breeding was done.  Morphology looks at the health of the sperm and whether they are capable of impregnating the eggs.  In this case, most were not. 

Judy
 

I would not refund either, but I would have produced a clear test for brucellosis and mycoplasma dated within 14 days of mating just like I required of the bitch.

Some would say your fault for not requesting these tests or recent dated tests before mating, at least before mating the second time. Thats what these large breeders count on, you the bitch owner not asking for it. I think you should be given a repeat mating to a stud of your choosing with the tests being performed on the stud. If stud tests fine and produces fine with other bitches than I agree that there is no way to guarantee. This is why I test my stud without being requested to do so by the bitch owner.  I also have a microscope to check sperm.

There are too many variables in the health and care/feed given to the females during gestation to affect the number of puppies. The age of the female also comes into question. Even if the female produced litters in the past what is her age and condition. Especially the one that had 5 litters, she can not be young and even if she is perhaps her uterus is done!

Sorry.... but that statement goes beyond the pale, "Some would say your fault for not requesting these tests or recent dated tests before mating"  why should the owners of the female be responsible for asking.  You pay for a service and you expect an outcome.  I don't care how many breedings they offer you.  The same rule applies, if the owner of the stud experiences their stud missed two to three breedings (when being bred to perfectly clean bitches) why then don't they step up to the plate do the responsible thing and have their male tested, well that costs money..   I have done my part does one need to have an attorney present to breed a dog?  Therein lies the problem, dishonest breeders the fact a report was produced and was a year old was overlooked because the month was the same but the year was different, honest mistake on my part but should not be my "fault" besides why just test for Brucellosis???   If you gave your child an over the counter medicine and you were confident it was safe to take but made your child sick anyway, for whatever obvious reasons, would you accept the company telling you "well its the consumers reasonability to ask"  I don't think so...   I know there are many variables, aware of them all but its about responsibility and something needs to be done.  I have learned and I am sure there are many more out there in my same boat.  This is ethically wrong and stricter standards need to be set for the stud. 

Well said Edinburgh. I am curious if some of the larger breeders could tell us if they had a bitch fail to conceive, tested positive for Mycoplasma and treated if they conceived the next breeding?  Also, how much was the test and in what way are the results given??  Does it tell you the level count of infection?  I think everyone who breeds should be aware of this. Thanks!

Your welcome GSDRezQ

One thing I find amazingly shocking almost 1,000 views to this post and only 12 responses?  I cant be alone in this issue?    Does anyone have any favorable suggestions for the standard of the "stud" dog I welcome anyone...