Dylan Perle de Tourbière - Page 2

Any dog can be made to look full while on a harness and a leash in a training situation.  If you read my earlier comment, and by reading I mean comprehending as well, I said "Not so good for the sport of SchH".  I don't care about KNPV, if that's your deal fine, but since there has never been a KNPV certification outside of Holland, you may want to consider moving.  Chewy, short gripping nervy dogs will not be successful in SchH/IPO, plain and simple.  I don't recall any dogs from that kennel having great runs either nationally (U.S.) or internationally.  I will go back and try and research teams from the Netherlands at the FMBB but I'm thinkin' not.  THAT'S MY POINT.  And, I believe that the post following my last one somewhat agrees with me, fine for KNPV, not so good for SchH.  

A dog I always loved from the PDT kennel was Jo Slangen dog Igor
 

Igor and Jo had a nice run from 2000-2005 with several top 10 finishes at the FCI and FMBB.

http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/270/Igor-Perle-de-Tourbi%C3%A8re

Igor was bred a few times and then went sterile if I remember right.  His brother Iwo has been used in Germany and is at stud with Hans Schweikert at von den Lausbuben kennel.

Regards,

Mario

Mario,
  Very nice Igor has trialed in 20 or so IPO Champonships placing 1st twice and for exception of four times placing in the top 10. Again please reserch before opening you mouth. Here is another full mouth grip, I can keep them coming. Again if you would like to talk to Jan from the Perle de Tourbiere about the grips of his dogs feel free to call him, or some of the other people who own dogs from his breeding program.
   
 

 

You just will never get it,  THAT'S ANOTHER TRAINING PHOTO.  So far you have given me 1, that's ONE, single, solo, example of a Dutch dog that has competed at a high level in SchH/IPO.  A sport where 3 phases count in the total score, where balancing a dog's temperament and training to excel in 3 different areas of training is required.  Don't tell me about a dog that can bite like an alligator but look like crap in it's obedience or barely pass tracking ( you know what that's like don't you?).  Answer one question for me, if what you think you are producing is by far better than what every one else is doing, why are you not campaigning one of them yourself?  BTW, don't bother mentioning that video of Dweezel doing the H&B behind a wall with a puppy arm and the short grips, not to mention the fact that you geniuses have a defense table in the background.  No wonder your dogs grip short.  Christ guy, get rid of them and give them a chance with someone who actually loves dogs and has a feel for what they are doing.  Maybe ask Gene England if you can visit him and have him teach you how to use the tools that you are so feebly trying to implement.  And for God's sake, take those custodian keys off of your belt when you trial.  Have some respect.

I know its on a Soft Slevee but the bitch dont got her two bottom K9s but she bites full and is a dutch dog, tracks like hell,OB flashy
JUST SAYING is all.......

The only thing that amazes me about people who do bites with the dog/puppy lifted off of the ground, is the fact that they'll definitely be injured when they fall.  Pointless.

well we dont do it all the time and we where just showing a friend that the dutch do have grrips that dont slip!!!!

I'm thinkin' this test is a pretty good evaluator of what a dog can tolerate.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TeamDoegel#p/u/0/jxi0c1-G0Ak 

http://www.youtube.com/user/TeamDoegel#p/u/2/VZrhODIfcv4 

Duderino, thank you for taking the time to comment on our Dylan.   We too think he is a super dog with all the qualities we want to continue in our breeding program.

Dylan is available to you at any time if you want to test him in any venue.  He will not let you down.  You are welcome to bring anything you want, but please don't bring a padded stick to simulate hitting him with.  Bring something harder and really hit him.  Also feel free to come without a sleeve if you think his grips are not full.  We will have medical staff on standyby to assist you.

Dylan is producing pups with solid nerves, full mouth grips, high prey drive and usually a civil edge that you can work with.  If you are looking for a pup that can work but is not hectic all the time, then Dylan's lines will not let you down.

PS, I don't think Jan has ever been worried about grips in his lines...Tim

 

Tim, you don't do the sport of SchH.  I assume you would believe in your dog or you wouldn't own him.  My statements still stand regarding this topic, as a rule Dutch dogs do not hold together for the 3 phases of SchH/IPO.  Gripping is not the only part of the evaluation picture.  One dog is not part of the evaluation picture.  Aggression brings power to the bitework but also brings short grips and inconsistency.  Obviously a dog with a PH1 knows how to bite and being a Malinois it's main priority should be to bite, but how does the dog track?  What do those retrieves look like?  Not a soft item, but a dumbbell.  Does he hold quiet and firm for the required amount of time?  What happens to the rest of the training when the screws are tightened for all 3 phases?  I've seen plenty of French Ring dogs that perform their obedience and even their bitework with their tails up under their belly.  Okay for FR because the obedience is ugly and attitude is not faulted but could a dog like that hold together for tracking??  No.  Right Mr. Magoo?  Kinda looks like the video of your female when she approached her track.

This thread asked for opinions and I gave mine.  I don't like the temperament of the Dutch type dogs and I won't own one.  My opinion, my time, my money.  You like them?  Good for you, you feed them but in the grand scheme of things, not good for SchH.  BTW, it's not the strength of the type of stick used but the artistry of how you use it.  You can quote me on that one.