Asko von der Lutter - Page 2

You can say what you want to about Asko he has numbers to back it up.  In the 2006 BSP he sired 9 of the top 55 dogs.

Place                Name    
    2                    Balko
    12                 Gordon
    13                  Ken
    15                  Sturm's Balto
    25                  Arik
    31                  Igor
    32                  Boris
    34                  Janoch 
    41                  Mex 

I'm neither pro or con Asko and have not looked at a lot of his progeny.  I did notice a recessive long coat gene.  So this should be noted if not your preference. Next I would like to see if there is a correlation in the scores of each phase.  I would also like to see if there is a particuilar line breeding that predominates.

I would like to see video of Asko training.  I did notice a lack of power in the blind.  But was this created to make points, which is what I heard happend to Blacky vom Neuen Lande.   
Don't be shy speak up.

Kyle
             

I've noticed what VTECH mentions about the dog being young in the head. The Asko stuff I've seen seems to mature slower. They have all been stable dogs when around people. With a lot of aggression in the bitework. Of course the way we train is to bring that side out in the dog as well. Not just prey work. There would be no "drop the sleeve and walk out of the blind if the dog gets dirty" style bitework with these dogs. Drive in the OB is very nice but then again that goes to the trainability of the dogs and the skill of the handler. (in any dog) I've also seen this in the second generation as well. So it seems that the genetics are passed on. At least in the ones I've personally seen. Rick

In the 2006 BSP he sired 9 of the top 55 dogs.

That seems really impressive.  What happened (or why not) in the following years?

I have a Asko grandson, he is doing very well in tracking, OB and protection for a 20 month old.

What dog in past years has reached something like that in ANY year??  Anyway, either Asko is having some impact, or the theory that the female doesn't contribute as much is out the window!! The only common denominator in the equation is Asko. Not really an Asko cheerleader, just like for facts to enter into my opinions as opposed to only my personal likes.

 Well, sid v haus pixner had 3 dogs in the top 10 last year in BSP, didn´t  looked if he had anymore in the rest of the field. With so many progeny asko had it´s not so fantastic to have 9 dogs in BSP or that competining in the BSP takes a super dog, or? I guess it´s also a subjecyive thing what people likes or not like, for some asko may be an intressting dog but others may have a different ideal.

Asko had 9 in the top 55.  Placement is more about preperation.  Many Studs had 3 progeny represented.

BSP is the top event in dog sport.  There are a lot of other factors such as who gets a hold of the progeny and seriously works the dogs.  So is it more important that one dog out of a litter goes to the BSP and the others don't title.  Does it say more about a littler if most of the litter obtains sch 3 titles?

The only way 800 some odd progeny will not have an impact on the breed is if they are spayed and Neutered.  Did we learn our lesson from Fero?  He had 1200 some odd off spring.  People run for the hills if they see his name once in the 5th generation of a pedigree.

Kyle

I guess the question is how many has he had totally and not just one year and compare it to other popular studs of past 25 years to see the comparison. All of the other factors are valid, its just that there are many popular studs out there, what are the production of them?? If I am to believe this dog is garbage, are all of the females he's bred to (of the BSP contestants) super and able to overcome his garbageness. There's a difference between not liking a dog and him being garbage or totally negative. Just like Fero, whether you like him or not probably some of the dogs you DO like have Fero tucked in the pedigree. So he didn't bring anything to the table, he's just lucky to always be surrounded by other good dogs. It just doesn't make logical sense to me...but Hey I've been baffled before. I'm still waiting for somebody from Winsis or Eu dog to find out how many dogs has Asko sent to BSP over the years. Hey, its only facts.

In stark contrast, Asko had five progeny in the lower half of the top fifty in the following year's 2007 BSP.
Balko vom Mörfelder Land #23
Gerry aus der Zigeunerkuhle #32
Mexx vom Annenhof #33
Nico von den Tonteichen #42
Balto Sturm's #48

Rocky von den Zingelgärten (grandson of Fero) had two progeny in the top five.
Ellex vom Salztalblick #4
Opal von der Röderburg #5

 This is all really interesting, I hope the discussion will continue on. 

Has anyone actually seen Asko in person? In training and competition?

I know of many second generation progeny of Asko from various breedings that are phenomenal dogs, calm and intelligent and biddable. One litter of Asko grandchildren I know all seem to have been born with an innate genius for happy, snappy, beautiful obedience. But I've also seen, and heard of other instances, where the Asko grand-children started out in puppy hood solid and full of potential, then as they neared puberty, or reached a year old, started to fall apart. 

Dogs that were previously sound of nerve, now wash out of Schutzhund, run out of the obedience ring, have episodes of random aggression. Anyone else have any such experiences? 

Is the second generation too removed from the Grand-parent to be able to say that is where the influences come from?