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by bazza on 11 May 2010 - 13:05
This has to be a wind up, right?? Either that or some regects from I heart my off coloured GSD forum on a flying visit via the asylum, lmfao. We will see you all at the next breed survey I presume?
by unclemick on 11 May 2010 - 13:05
Morning all. I just started visiting this site a few weeks ago on the recomendation of a friend that helped me ind my new pup, and I honestly don't know all there is to know agout the GSD. This will be my second GSD, the first was a black and tan, my new pup is a black sable. I also love the way white GSD look. I'm not a sheep hearder nor am I in the military so it doesn't much matter to me if they are white, black, or somewhere in the middle.
Now my personal opinion about this thread, take it or leave it I don't really care. I would "MUCH" rather worry right now about all of the breeders that that are breeding the GSD without worry about hip, elbow, GI problems, temperment, and all of the other problems the present day GSD have then to worry about what colour they are.
Just my two cents, but the thing that might keep me from making my next dog a GSD won't be the colour, it will be all of the other crap some of our so called breeders choose to ignore so they can breed a "true" GSD without worry about about anything else but colour.
Now my personal opinion about this thread, take it or leave it I don't really care. I would "MUCH" rather worry right now about all of the breeders that that are breeding the GSD without worry about hip, elbow, GI problems, temperment, and all of the other problems the present day GSD have then to worry about what colour they are.
Just my two cents, but the thing that might keep me from making my next dog a GSD won't be the colour, it will be all of the other crap some of our so called breeders choose to ignore so they can breed a "true" GSD without worry about about anything else but colour.
by bazza on 11 May 2010 - 13:05
Somehow I think most people here are missing the point, Speaking for myself personally, I do not have a problem with any colour when born in a litter. I do have a problem with breeders who purposely ONLY breed off colours and advertise them as rare so charge a fortune. I also go by the breed standard and these colours are highly undesirable and I believe you would be hard pushed to find a blue, liver, that has the conformation called for in the breed standard.
by missbeeb on 11 May 2010 - 14:05
Just my two cents, but the thing that might keep me from making my next dog a GSD won't be the colour, it will be all of the other crap some of our so called breeders choose to ignore so they can breed a "true" GSD without worry about about anything else but colour.
Unclemick....
Lucy, you say your dogs are healthy... pedigrees checked, etc... yet on another thread you mention that one of your dogs has epilepsy and from your post, you were clearly pretty clueless about it all and what tests are available. Saying that the dog's breeder had said there was no way of knowing it was in the lines! (What are your pedigrees checked for?) No shame in not knowing, but ask yourself - seriously, should you be breeding at all when your knowledge is so very limited, far less trying to advise others on here?
Bottom line imo... most people that breed for colour, do so for money. (The "rare", cuddly, polar bear selling factor) Logically, there can be no other reason. Of course, there are breeders, breeding to the standard, who breed for money too, one only has to look at some of the heart rending photos of dogs being sold on this very forum. There are not enough good homes for all the dogs that are bred... purposely breeding outside the standard to line your pocket is wrong.
Unclemick....
Lucy, you say your dogs are healthy... pedigrees checked, etc... yet on another thread you mention that one of your dogs has epilepsy and from your post, you were clearly pretty clueless about it all and what tests are available. Saying that the dog's breeder had said there was no way of knowing it was in the lines! (What are your pedigrees checked for?) No shame in not knowing, but ask yourself - seriously, should you be breeding at all when your knowledge is so very limited, far less trying to advise others on here?
Bottom line imo... most people that breed for colour, do so for money. (The "rare", cuddly, polar bear selling factor) Logically, there can be no other reason. Of course, there are breeders, breeding to the standard, who breed for money too, one only has to look at some of the heart rending photos of dogs being sold on this very forum. There are not enough good homes for all the dogs that are bred... purposely breeding outside the standard to line your pocket is wrong.
by unclemick on 11 May 2010 - 14:05
I totally agree with you missbeeb about "just" breeding for colour. If these breeders that are breeding the so called "off" colours are breeding for colour without concern for health issues I couldn't agree with you more. All things being equal, which I know is some peoples eyes they are not, I worry more about health issues then color. I'd rather have a healthy GSD of ANY colour with a good temperment then have one of the more "standard" colors and have health problems or bad nerves and be bite freak. For me either one of these two problems would be much much worse and I'd rather see dogs with these problems taken out of the breeding pool then one that is off colour.
by Nefaria on 11 May 2010 - 19:05
SueB
Why resort to insults? You and Wildmoor between you are coming across so bitter and twisted, if you are as old as Wildmoor is, you should be ashamed of yourself. Wildmoor is the wrong end of 40 and her behaviour so far has been so utterly puerile and childish. I could be insulting and suggest she is going through the menopause, but she would have an answer for that.
Wildmoor DID NOT start the thread because she was concerned about Freaks in the UK, she started it to get back at Pridhams… pure and simple, nothing else, as she has a beef with her and probably the breeder of Pridhams’ dog. That’s how Wildmoor works, she has done this before to a few people I know of, she just goes on a witch-hunt to try to demean and belittle someone who has stood up to her - one about the sire someone used to mate their bitch with and the others I believe was because SHE disagreed with how much exercise a dog could have and went off on one and I can’t remember the other one off-hand.
Wildmoor is only being spiteful and malicious again and is showing herself to be the narcissistic, lonely, middle aged ‘lady’ she has come to be known as on lots of forums, with nothing better to do than spending most of her life trawling through stud books to appear knowledgeable and she must be Google’s biggest user with the amount of searching she does.
Excuse the pun but I think Wildmoor is finally showing her ‘true colours’
She has made a fuss about Pridhams calling her dog over angulated, when in fact on another forum she herself has said he is and that he shows a slightly roach back in some stances!
Time to give it a rest Wildmoor, you have had your day and your few days of glory, as well as getting your cronies to post to back you up. More and more people are seeing through you and your bullying tactics and meanness.
Why resort to insults? You and Wildmoor between you are coming across so bitter and twisted, if you are as old as Wildmoor is, you should be ashamed of yourself. Wildmoor is the wrong end of 40 and her behaviour so far has been so utterly puerile and childish. I could be insulting and suggest she is going through the menopause, but she would have an answer for that.
Wildmoor DID NOT start the thread because she was concerned about Freaks in the UK, she started it to get back at Pridhams… pure and simple, nothing else, as she has a beef with her and probably the breeder of Pridhams’ dog. That’s how Wildmoor works, she has done this before to a few people I know of, she just goes on a witch-hunt to try to demean and belittle someone who has stood up to her - one about the sire someone used to mate their bitch with and the others I believe was because SHE disagreed with how much exercise a dog could have and went off on one and I can’t remember the other one off-hand.
Wildmoor is only being spiteful and malicious again and is showing herself to be the narcissistic, lonely, middle aged ‘lady’ she has come to be known as on lots of forums, with nothing better to do than spending most of her life trawling through stud books to appear knowledgeable and she must be Google’s biggest user with the amount of searching she does.
Excuse the pun but I think Wildmoor is finally showing her ‘true colours’
She has made a fuss about Pridhams calling her dog over angulated, when in fact on another forum she herself has said he is and that he shows a slightly roach back in some stances!
Time to give it a rest Wildmoor, you have had your day and your few days of glory, as well as getting your cronies to post to back you up. More and more people are seeing through you and your bullying tactics and meanness.
by bazza on 11 May 2010 - 19:05
WOOOOOOSH right over MY head this time,lol.
by Sue B on 11 May 2010 - 19:05
Nefaria, and where exactly did I resort to insults????????????????????????///
Regards
Sue b
Regards
Sue b
by missbeeb on 11 May 2010 - 20:05
Nefaria... is it meant to be a sort of derivative of nefarious? Apt, if so!
Bitter, twisted, puerile, spiteful, malicious, narcissistic, menopausal... all adjectives you've used in your post... I've never known Wildmore or SueB write posts like yours; I guess you and Pridham are one and the same.
Do you think that, "showing a slight roach in some stances" is the same thing as over angulation?
Give it up, Nef... you've had your rant, nobody's buying it on here, we "know" Wildmore and we like her.
by zacsmum on 11 May 2010 - 20:05
Sue B, you are now officialy *Sensible Sue* !! That was a very knowledgeable and interesting post re colour and herding, dogs in battle etc. Having never owned a white, blue, liver, apricot et al, just Sables, a solid black, and the rest black and gold, I didnt actualy think about the practical reasons for not having these colours. Although I have to say, I have cringed a time or two when looking at pedigrees and the very limited gene pools that seem to be the norm for whites in the UK.! Cheers me dear, very interesting post.
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