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by missbeeb on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
Noddi... did I say it was you who named the dog? I'd prefer not to be shouted at, thank you.
No! It's not fair, it's wrong, but it's the "system" that needs to be fixed.
by noddi on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
sorry misbeeb.not shouting at yu,just stating facts.dont want any argy bargy.yep you,re right system is flawed,but people shouldnt try to pull the wool over other ,s eyes.maybe im too honest.in truth they are only cheating themselves in the long run.truth has a funny way of coming out.
by missbeeb on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
I think it's long overdue that we had a hip / elbow scoring system that was the "same" the world over. There have been a few dogs over the years with a good "German score" and a frightening BVA score... what does that tell us?
by arbeiter on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
It's just the same as the epilepsy problem that was raised a few weeks back - if they keep quite long enough it will go away they hope ! If it was happening to a small kennel everyone would be up in arms-but when its allegedly one of the BIg 4-different story.Then out comes friends and associates like mis beeb.
by missbeeb on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
... and out comes the name calling dross!
I am neither a friend nor an associate of "Gayville" and I'd have the same thing to say about any kennel / animal so named, before ascertaining information from owners / breeders.
by myfanwy on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
Remember one thing if there is a loop hole some people will use it to their advantage
if the breed council take away the loop hole by only accepting BVA scores there would be no problem
if the breed council take away the loop hole by only accepting BVA scores there would be no problem
by googles on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
This was brought up on another thread a couple of day ago missbeeb by Linda b, i was reading through the threads and this is what she said.
If you have a dog with a hip score above 20 with more than 12 on either hip and you still wish to have it surveyed and recieve a class one . Then you can follow the Breed Council Vice Chairmans and Breed survyors example. when one of his bitches recieved a BVA hip score of 13-14=27 he sent the x-ray plates to Germany and the same bitch recieved a German a stamp for hips. She was then presented for a breed survey using the a stamp and recieved a class one.
I thought i would look for myself to see if it was correct , and low and behold it is.
If this was my bitch i would be gutted as she looks a lovely bitch with alot to give the breed, but the owner should not cheat the system and accept it like most other breeders would do. At a time when we are grasping for survival in GSD's somebody that has a postion like Mr Hall should be setting an example. But as always it will be swept under the rug and disapear.
if breeders do not take any notice of the hip results what is the point of getiing the hips xrayed, we call the English type breeders but this is just as bad.
If you have a dog with a hip score above 20 with more than 12 on either hip and you still wish to have it surveyed and recieve a class one . Then you can follow the Breed Council Vice Chairmans and Breed survyors example. when one of his bitches recieved a BVA hip score of 13-14=27 he sent the x-ray plates to Germany and the same bitch recieved a German a stamp for hips. She was then presented for a breed survey using the a stamp and recieved a class one.
I thought i would look for myself to see if it was correct , and low and behold it is.
If this was my bitch i would be gutted as she looks a lovely bitch with alot to give the breed, but the owner should not cheat the system and accept it like most other breeders would do. At a time when we are grasping for survival in GSD's somebody that has a postion like Mr Hall should be setting an example. But as always it will be swept under the rug and disapear.
if breeders do not take any notice of the hip results what is the point of getiing the hips xrayed, we call the English type breeders but this is just as bad.
by missbeeb on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
You could have asked him why he did this by email.
There is no point, however well intentioned, in naming individuals, when our real problem is the "system"... that's where we should concentrate our efforts; if the system was good, there could be no side stepping. The German system is no better, that's why I say we need to have the same system the world over, with no cheating!
by pt1 on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
and we wonder why the kc gets all high & mighty and our breed is in the state it is
by missbeeb on 23 February 2010 - 19:02
Can't see where the KC features in this at all pt1, their interest has only ever been financial, but yes, there is work to be done.
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