In breeding ?? - Page 2

Yup Yup, so sad it all has to be hush hush. Quite stupid if you ask me. People fear what they don't know is all. Though I wouldn't suggest any first time breeder to try it. The ones who understand genetics and have this breeding thing down to a science do it all the time, with good results.

Its not a matter of hush hush. Without inbreeding we would not have any dog breeds period. Genetic isolation of certain traits is what gives rise to the uniformity of a breed. But most issues people love to focus on the negative that might appear by combining certain recessives *on occasion*, such as bleeders. Instead of focussing on the positive, which usually prevails. If inbreeding and line breeding was not working, people had stopped doing it generations ago. With all the close line breeding that has been going on over 100 years and still being practised these days then according to the doomsayers every GSD born today should be the village idiot! Take Darwins playground for example. How can the few animals that have room on such a small place as the Gallapagos Islands possibly avoid close inbreeding? The fact that some of the finches there displayed such diverse features, as in - different breeds, or species of finches - was due to the fact of inbreeding to these traits. What people forget is that "genetic diversity" is between species, not among one species. Before modern times, the lack of transportation gave rise to localized populations (or breeds or certain types) because people and their domistic animals or even wild animals would only travel so far. Some breeds (not limited to dogs) therefore appeared naturally because of limited access to non-relatives in a certain area. *** Martin, the breeding described in the first post is not a half-brother/half-sister mating, its a mating between cousins.

Thanks for the illustration D.H. You are right it is not the same as my example.

Hello D.H., OK, cool. What prompted my coments was the Leah pedigree posted where the sire & dam, were both sired by VA (JPN) Vitus vom Haus-Farrenkopf SchH3 FH Kkl1, so I put V Nico von haus Klebach VH1 Kkl1a up for also being half brother and sister cross. Martin

I think there are good points from both D.H. and Martin, but one must be will to do the math, sum the averages and take full responsibilty for the choice to breed so closely. Of course, they should do this even if the last common ancestor of the litter was twenty (20) generations away. Close inbreeding does not always work well, and I think most will know the group about that I speak. Bad teeth, large noses, big ears, a young prince attending a royal ball costumed as a SS officer. Some BAD examples of where research was overruled by customary practice. Get a laugh from it-it is meant to be painfully funny. Bob-O

Not to be a wisea$$ or anything, but cage was actually right that it is 3-3,not 2-2. Dog A & Bitch B being siblings, I've illustrated in the following link. http://www.ehretgsd.com/Ped3-3.jpg

It is definitelly 3-3in breeding.Allowed, but one should have in mind that they are not inheriting only the good characteristics.