so called dog breeders - Page 2

I hope that when my pup proves herself and is all green light for breeding that the Stud dog owners involved really put me through a process, I expect her to be researched and approved by the Stud owner because that is what is needed for our breed to pull itself out of the cluster %$^& it is in.

I am looking at some pretty awesome dogs too so we need to work really hard the 2 of us to prove ourselves as a team. I just helped my friend place some of her pups and let me tell you...when done right it is hard as hell to accomplish, and I really don't see much money to be made if you consider your own time in hours put into it and how much an hour of work costs even at minimum wage the hours and hours that go into each pup before they go to their home would likely net a loss in my view

Fact is, many put time into their dogs without recouping it through pups.  We all have to feed our dogs too, so that shouldn't be counted as part of the cost of breeding. Obviously breeding does help pay costs, or no one would do it.   BYB's may not do hip and health checks, but then again, they don't charge $1500 + for a dog either. 

 I'm not sure why some (breeders) have to assume this poster is trying to stir up sh!t when what he said is very true in many cases.  He obviously has had a bad experience with a breeder or two.  Hasn't his name  got upset lad in it?

Mrs Sable, you are on a roll. I agree. Breeders aren't the only ones feeding, vaccinating, titling , and getting health check ups. True, if you're not breeding, you do not have to get a title or ofa, but as a breeder, you should have a drive to better the breed, so you probably woulda done those anyhow. Even if you sell one litter at $800 a pup, and say you have six Pups, that's $4800. Do you still get to claim poverty on the second litter?

It's the elitest possessiveness, and the unclear line of entitlement vs. perceived rights to the DNA in perpetuity that can swell a few heads.

I think just because you have a nice dog, and it can work, doesn't mean you have to breed it.  I say leave the breeding to the ones that know how to better the breed.  It takes more than just a nice dog with a good pedigree!!!

I thought "better the breed" was a fallacy.

Just because a dog / dogs have titles, hips and so on still doesn't mean that they should be breed no matter what country they are from. More "midnight" trials are done in Europe than anywhere and try to get any legal help if you do not live there. If one looks in the right place there are excellent dogs that are breed in the USA.

So who are the good ones?

That is the beginning of the filtering process. You have your dollars, who has what you want?

What do they require of you, besides dollars? ....that can be a sticky bone of contention!

I think any decent prospective  owner should research the breed and have a set of questions to ask the breeder. I also believe the breeder should interview (or interrogate) the prospective owner to within an inch of their life. I know I would if I were a breeder if only to try to ensure my pups went to the right homes.

I also believe reputable breeders atm have one hell of a hard job to better the breed and be able to sell their pups at the correct price because of idiots and BYB's who just don't give a toss about anything other than how much money they can make out of their dogs.

It IS possible to earn a living out of breeding - a breeder of one of my previous dogs does this and earns a lot of money each year from her pups. However, in my eyes she is not a repable breeder because she NEVER takes back her dogs - EVER. She does health testing etc but doesn't do home checks, no interviews, churns out pups (with excellent pedigrees I might add) without a care inthe orld for those dogs. Last time I saw her was at her home where she had a brood bitch in a crate with 2 of her 4 week ld pups. The 2 pups were eating the adult dog food that she stated twice was not good for them. I doubt she mentioned this to the peopel who had reserved/bought the pups!

What are "midnight" trials?