Update Indiana - Question about Saxon - Page 2

Anyone who wants to read a very good book about Hip dysplasia and other orthopedic problems go get the book by Fred L. Lanting I just got this book in the mail yesterday and so far I like it.

Jantie, dam means mother. And I read it as was written otherwise I would not have commented. But it seems that you have very little room for constructive criticism. If you want to be taken seriously, present something people can actually make some use of. If you want to compare, compare "mothers" of similar ages, and of similar offspring, such as just males. Of course it makes a difference if male or female offspring is used. For starters there is less of a chance of one dam having more than one son at either event. But a better chance that the same mother is counted double if she also had a daughter at the event. And, by going with top 100 instead of two times top 50 you are talking about different scenarios. Fewer people go and breed to and with the dogs that placed lower than rank 50, except for females. So you see, there is a very significant difference. The numbers are only important if you can apply them to something down the road such as future breeding plans. The mothers of the top 50 dogs will be far more represented down the road than the next set of 50. How about a comparison of the mothers of just the top 50 males of both events. You have those at hand already, just need to do a different summary. That would be more applicable as what you have now. More of the top placing show males should be older as well because of repeat appearances, meaning their dams are older. More similar to the working line males. Though motherline is important, dams only have a limited influence when talking about popular producers and how the future will be influenced. Far more interesting would be what the top 50 or 100 males have produced over the last years, with a year by year comparison. And if a trend is apparent. For the better or for the worse. One year tells you nothing. Jantie, you are blinded because you let your personal misgivings guide you. You put out these stats with only one goal in mind and that is to show how bad things look. You do not want to even consider that there is a possibility that things are not as gloomy as you see them - because of your one sinlge very personal incident. If you can prove to me that things are indeed as gloomy, and that there is a clear trend that the HD situation of the GSD is getting progressively worse, then you have my attention. Until then, these figures are just too shallow and single minded.

AlabamaK9! I don't know Johnny personally, no, but I have seen him work on different occasions of course (Belgium is a small country). In fact during the 2nd CA-Trophy 2004 (WUSV-selection) which was held at our Ortsgruppe in Waregem, I was in charge of keeping track of all of the scores, and announcing them during the last part of the show. If I remember well, he did a splendid tracking with Zidane vom Haus Sevens (100), very good obedience (94), but lost quite a number of points in the last event (80). I have a high esteem for him. Great sportsman and very dedicated. D.H. Nothing wrong with my math girl. You're trying hard defending a lost case. The dimensions are far worse than the picture you and the SV are presenting. Please do read the simulation (which was by the way supported by comments of reknown scientists). Read this part again: http://www.bloggen.be/hd/archief.php?ID=5 According to SV figures, the Dream-Scenario offers 57 % HD-1 diagnoses. (GOOD effort! Indeed. But we all know what fails in the formula!) My simulation includes real-case scenario figures, includes the x-rays withheld by breeders and vets ("Don't send this to the SV, it will be bad!!), and leaves us with a realistic figure of only 36% of perfect hips HD-1. No need to discuss all of the other diseases GSDs are not free off. I never said it gets worse! But it definitely is bad enough! Sorry Brittany, lack of time prevents me from translating my studies at the moment. Give me somemore time ok? GREAT effort from you and Videx by the way to save Saxon! Hope you succeed.

That link shows just how you tweak the numbers to match your own cause, Janie! You conveniently leave out that as your a1 numbers go down as you adjust it for those x-rays not submitted, that the rest of the numbers also go down. You leave out that your updated numbers also relate to 6.8% of a3s, 2.6% of a4s, and 1/2 of a single percent of a5 results. So the two failing grades (a4/a5) together amount to ONLY 3.06 percent then. So what is it Jantie? Do we have doomsday looming above us because ONLY 36% of the screend GSD have good hips, or is the breed doomed because 3% have hips that failed? 3 percent versus 36 percent.... or should I actually say that according to your scenario 50% have passing grades with a1 and a2? Not even counting a3s here, or a6s. still versus 3% that fail. Hmmm, yep, according to those figures the GSD surely is doomed ;o).

Anyone what has followed this melodrama from day one knows that this is all about teaching a certain German breeder a lesson. Facts do not enter not the equation, it's all about emotions and paybacks.

Excuse all typos...sorry. I meant to say anyone WHO....and do not entered INTO the equation.

Sorry Blitzen, can't help when people stay blind for the facts. But it's allright with me. YOU don't have to look. (And don't get nervous! Stay cool!) D.H. I will soon add some graphics to my blog. Hope you will then visit again. Images might help you to understand.